Economical Tow Vehicles?

General Discussion about almost anything Teardrop or camping related

Economical Tow Vehicles?

Postby mikeschn » Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:21 am

Is the high price of oil, and ultimately, gas a permanent thing as the auto manufacturers seem to think? I've seen some posts that say part of it is due to inflation, and the other part of it is due to speculation.

Since I've never seen negative inflation, I'll assume for the moment, that portion of the cost is permanent. If that's true, then when we are ready to buy our next car, fuel economy will still be a factor in our choice.

So with that in mind I've started compiling the 5 year cost of some interesting vehicles. Not that I'd actually be interested in some of them, for example, I don't think I'd ever buy an Aveo.

This spreadsheet does not reflect any towing, because every situation is different.

This spreadsheet figures the cost to drive 20,000 miles per year, at the current prices of $4.15 for unleaded and $4.89 for diesel. The total reflects only the cost of the car plus the cost of fuel. (No maintenance, etc)

Aveo $12170 Max tow(unbraked): ? lbs, 27/37 annual fuel: $1824, 5 year total: $21290
Ford Fiesta (UK) $17700 Max tow(unbraked): 1650 lbs, 50/61.9 annual fuel: $1208, 5 year total: $23740
Cobalt XFE $15070 Max tow(unbraked): 1000 lbs, 27/36 annual fuel: $1844, 5 year total: $24290
Ford Focus $14395 Max tow(unbraked): ? lbs, 24/35 annual fuel: $2000, 5 year total: $24395
Matrix/Vibe $16190 Max tow(unbraked): 1500 lbs, 26/32 annual fuel: $1976, 5 year total: $26070
Corolla $17550 Max tow(unbraked): 1102 lbs, 26/35 annual fuel: $1908, 5 year total: $27090
Scion XB $15650 Max tow(unbraked): not rec'd lbs, 22/28 annual fuel: $2305, 5 year total: $27175
Prius $21500 Max tow(unbraked): 1000 lbs, 48/45 annual fuel: $1177, 5 year total: $27385
Ranger 2wd 4cyl auto $14330 Max tow(unbraked): 1000 lbs, 19/24 annual fuel: $2677, 5 year total: $27715
HHR $16730 Max tow(unbraked): ? lbs, 22/30 annual fuel: $2243, 5 year total: $27945
Tacoma 2wd 4cyl auto $14965 Max tow(unbraked): ? lbs, 19/25 annual fuel: $2634, 5 year total: $28135
PT Cruiser $15955 Max tow(unbraked): ? lbs, 21/26 annual fuel: $2441, 5 year total: $28160
Camry 4cyl $18570 Max tow(unbraked): 1000 lbs, 21/31 annual fuel: $2273, 5 year total: $29935
Jetta TDI $23000 Max tow(unbraked): 1560 lbs, 30/43 annual fuel: $1899, 5 year total: $32495
Silverado 2wd 6cyl auto $18515 Max tow(unbraked): ? lbs, 15/20 annual fuel: $3320, 5 year total: $35115
Fusion Hybrid $28000 Max tow(unbraked): 1000 lbs, 33/34 annual fuel: $1660, 5 year total: $36300
Fusion $25000 Max tow(unbraked): 1000 lbs, 20/28 annual fuel: $2441, 5 year total: $37205
Forester $25000 Max tow(unbraked): 2400 lbs, 20/26 annual fuel: $2515, 5 year total: $37575
Forester Diesel $28000 Max tow(unbraked): 2400 lbs, 26/33.8 annual fuel: $2279, 5 year total: $39395
Honda Odyssey $25860 Max tow(unbraked): ? lbs, 16/23 annual fuel: $3018, 5 year total: $40950
Volt $40000 Max tow(unbraked): ? lbs, 150/150 annual fuel: $368, 5 year total: $41840
Have any other vehicles you'd like to see on the spreadsheet? Let me know, and I'll add it.

Mike...

P.S. What is the tow capacity of an Aveo? What is the European towing capacity of a Jetta?

P.P.S. Certain numbers had to be estimated since real number don't yet exist. If you are aware of any real numbers, like the cost of the Fusion Hybrid, for example, please let me know.
Last edited by mikeschn on Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:28 pm, edited 13 times in total.
The quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten, so build your teardrop with the best materials...
User avatar
mikeschn
Site Admin
 
Posts: 19202
Images: 475
Joined: Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:01 am
Location: MI

Postby looped » Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:48 am

i would be interested in knowing what an 01 camry with the 3 litre v6 would do.. even the dealership doesnt know the towing capability.


when calculating overall mileage in town (calculated at fill up) i get average 23mpg (i uhmm well have a leadish foot),, when travelling it jumps to 35-37.. when travelling and hypermilling with the cruise control and without (higher number with) it gets between 45 and 53 (two trips this way, one to austin and one to houston each number actual result)
"face it man. It's just not possible to fry an egg with a bicycle powered hairdryer!"
- Dave Lister
User avatar
looped
The 300 Club
 
Posts: 392
Images: 31
Joined: Sun Apr 20, 2008 2:03 pm
Location: dfw texas

Postby mikeschn » Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:11 am

How does your car do so much better than the EPA rating?

Looped's Camry $18570 Towing: 1000 lbs, annual fuel: $2024, 5 year total: $28690

Mike...

Edit: Is this what you are talking about? http://www.hypermiling.com/
Last edited by mikeschn on Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:18 am, edited 1 time in total.
The quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten, so build your teardrop with the best materials...
User avatar
mikeschn
Site Admin
 
Posts: 19202
Images: 475
Joined: Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:01 am
Location: MI
Top

Postby apratt » Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:34 am

how about the Toyota Tacoma and the Ford Ranger with the 4 cyl. engines.
Arthur,

ASL spoken here
User avatar
apratt
Gold Donating Member
 
Posts: 966
Images: 16
Joined: Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:43 pm
Location: Washington, Chehalis
Top

Postby mikeschn » Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:44 am

apratt wrote:how about the Toyota Tacoma and the Ford Ranger with the 4 cyl. engines.


Okay I added them...

What's the max tow capacity on those?

Mike...
The quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten, so build your teardrop with the best materials...
User avatar
mikeschn
Site Admin
 
Posts: 19202
Images: 475
Joined: Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:01 am
Location: MI
Top

Postby bobhenry » Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:49 am

I'm having Draw Tite custom make a hitch for my 2000 Suzuki Esteem
A 4 tank average of 46.7 It almost outdoes the 86 Goldwing at 47 MPG.
I am confident with the 5 speed manual it will handle a 1000 lb tear. I guess we will see. Maybe it will be here in time for our 150 mile Madison In gathering.
Growing older but not up !
User avatar
bobhenry
Ten Grand Club
Ten Grand Club
 
Posts: 10368
Images: 2623
Joined: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:49 am
Location: INDIANA, LINDEN
Top

Postby donmaloney » Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:58 am

We just got a Toyota Matrix.
MPG-26 city/32 highway, and tow 1500 lbs.
Base price is $16,190 for a Manual.
User avatar
donmaloney
Teardrop Builder
 
Posts: 33
Images: 23
Joined: Sat May 31, 2008 12:44 am
Location: Surprise, AZ
Top

Postby Nitetimes » Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:06 am

Looks like the diesels and hybrids are a bust as far as overall costs go???
I don't see any substantial savings over the regular gas jobs there.
:thinking: :thinking:
Rich


Image
ImageImage
-
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to
keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves
against tyranny in government.
- Thomas Jefferson -
Personally, I carry a gun because I'm too young to die and too old to take a butt kickin'.
User avatar
Nitetimes
7000 Club
7000 Club
 
Posts: 7909
Images: 194
Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2005 12:44 am
Location: Butler,PA
Top

Postby emiller » Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:08 am

I know from renting a couple of Ford Rangers 1 with a 4 cylinder and the rest with 6 cylinders I would choose the 6 cylinder. I got better milage towing the teardrop and gear with it. I think having your foot pushing harder on the accelerator pedal to get going and climbing hills you waste more with a 4 than with the V-6.
User avatar
emiller
Donating Member
 
Posts: 3421
Images: 157
Joined: Sun Jun 13, 2004 11:00 pm
Location: Arizona, Phoenix
Top

Postby mikeschn » Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:12 am

I added the Matrix. It's definitely high up on the list!

Mike...

donmaloney wrote:We just got a Toyota Matrix.
MPG-26 city/32 highway, and tow 1500 lbs.
Base price is $16,190 for a Manual.
The quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten, so build your teardrop with the best materials...
User avatar
mikeschn
Site Admin
 
Posts: 19202
Images: 475
Joined: Tue Apr 13, 2004 11:01 am
Location: MI
Top

Postby boardhead » Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:40 am

Tongue load is another key factor to consider. For example, the tongue weight on my tear is 160 lbs. That's ok on my pickup, but my Acura TL owners manual specifies a max tongue weight of !00 lbs, with a max tow weight of 1,000 lbs.
Last edited by boardhead on Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:49 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
boardhead
Teardrop Advisor
 
Posts: 59
Images: 16
Joined: Wed May 03, 2006 8:36 pm
Location: Tigard, OR
Top

Postby rad1 » Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:48 am

Looped, my last car was an 01 Maxima (6 cylinder) pretty comparable, and it was 2,000 LB
rad1
Teardrop Inspector
 
Posts: 16
Joined: Wed Jun 25, 2008 8:58 am
Location: SW FL
Top

Postby Mauleskinner » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:49 pm

Drifting a little off-topic, but just exactly how reliable do we assume these mileage figures to be? I just finished a 3500-mile vacation in my '98 Bonneville (no trailer...but I'll be pulling the trigger on that shortly, cause it SUCKS sleeping in the car :thumbdown: ) and got nothing less than 28 mph, and as high as 31.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/bymodel/1998_Pontiac_Bonneville.shtml says 25-26 mpg highway, and even in my "normal" driving (I commute 40 miles to work) I usually get 27 or better.

I know you have to have apples to compare to apples, but I really don't see anything on that list that would convince me not to buy another used Bonneville next time around. (only 180k miles on this one, so it's just getting broke in :lol: )

David
User avatar
Mauleskinner
The 300 Club
 
Posts: 350
Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:57 pm
Location: Southern MN
Top

Re: Economical Tow Vehicles?

Postby angib » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:54 pm

mikeschn wrote:What is the European towing capacity of a Jetta?

3080lb braked trailer, 1560lb unbraked trailer - but 165lb max hitch weight (yep, less than 6% of the max trailer).

However these are European tow ratings for European driving - vehicles towing trailers travel more slowly than other vehicles and the driver is expected to be using more skill than a non-tower.

Andrew
User avatar
angib
5000 Club
5000 Club
 
Posts: 5783
Images: 231
Joined: Fri Apr 30, 2004 2:04 pm
Location: (Olde) England
Top

Postby toypusher » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:55 pm

Mike, you listed the Tacoma 2wd, but mine is 4wd and I get 19 city and 22-23 on the hiway!!!
User avatar
toypusher
Site Admin
 
Posts: 43040
Images: 324
Joined: Fri Jan 28, 2005 12:21 pm
Location: York, PA Area
Top

Next

Return to General Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests