It's time for a new Generic Standy Design...

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Postby Sparksalot » Sun Oct 12, 2008 11:55 am

leaded wrote:
Classic Finn wrote:

Post some photos for us when you begin. Its always nice to see.


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Gonna do!
One photochopped pic of idea...
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WOW, very cool car. The trailer ain't bad either. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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The Compass Rose build thread: viewtopic.php?t=23213

Inspiration: http://tnttt.com/Design_Library/Trailer%20for%20Two.htm

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Postby leaded » Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:03 pm

THANKssssssssssssssssss!
Hopefully the camper is gonna be done too! :R 8)
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Postby GPW » Sun Oct 12, 2008 5:43 pm

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Postby bgordon » Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:18 am

Hi,

GPW, I know where you got that idea! :lol:

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By the way, are we back to a popup standie? :? :? :? I deliberately stopped participating in this thread because I thought the Popup idea was vetoed? :? :?
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Postby GPW » Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:03 am

Gordo ... it wasn't a popup... :shock: just a stretch to a standy.. Got a BIG standy ...want a small one ...Big one is too big for what we need... :o
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Postby bgordon » Mon Oct 13, 2008 6:36 am

GPW wrote:Gordo ... it wasn't a popup... :shock: just a stretch to a standy.. Got a BIG standy ...want a small one ...Big one is too big for what we need... :o


Oh sorry, my mistake! I thought you drew a popup. :oops:

Man, I should start thinking about 'regular' trailers.. :lol: :lol:
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Postby leaded » Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:26 am

Sorry for the interuption of the tread, didnt see that pop-up was out of the way............
Thought a popup was possible solution of the toilet part, or more, to get the original tread Tear to be a "stand in". ...
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Trouble with all pop-ups is the design "popped", the view isn´t the nicest, but could be best solution for use.
When checking some ideas for my project, i´d also just manipulated the height, and some of the traditional Tears, got really nice.depended of the length. Keep On, whatever, i see a lot of good answers/help, and glad the forum is here!
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Postby GPW » Tue Oct 14, 2008 5:52 am

Popups are really cool, but in our climate ,plenty chances for water intrusion...So easy to just build a tall one without the worries.. Rounded for a bit of streamlining... ;)
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Postby fastED » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:06 pm

I haven't read all 18 pages of this thread, but here's what I plan to do about a standie. This thread started with proposing that it be built on a bolt-together trailer kit. I already have a 5X8 Red Trailer, so I decided to stick with what could be done with a 5X8. Right off the bat, it's not big enough to have all that everyone wants to cram into a standie, so, what to do? Don't worry, folks, I have the answer. Here's what we'll do....
1) Swap out the stock 1400 lb. axle for a Red Trailer 2000 lb. Axle upgrade kit. This includes new axle, u-bolts, five lug hubs with bearings and seals and dust caps, and two wheel/tire assemblies. About $300.00.
2) 2 foot tongue extension- about 100.00 from Red Trailer.
3) OPTIONAL.... The tongue extension will allow you to add 2 feet of frame/floor to the front of the trailer, if you need it. Red Trailer also sells individual frame members. one cross member, and one side member (cut in two) will do the trick. I won't need it in my case, but I will need the "swing-room". More on that in a minute.
OK- so now we're 5X10- still not big enough to suite me, AND too long, and narrow.
4)I am going to weld frame "outriggers" about 9 inches long, four places on each side. Front and rear, and fore and aft of each wheel. Final outside framing could be wood or steel.
Now we are getting somewhere. We have a bolt-together trailer, with a one ton rating, and a fully supported floor of 10 X 6.5 feet. I think that's about all you can get out of a bolt together trailer kit. The 6.5 ft. width puts the side walls outside of the wheels. Some like 'em like that, some don't. I like fat fenders, but I want that interior space more.
This next is my personal "First cut" at what I might do, but it sounds good to this armchair builder. I propose to build a somewhat upsized WIDGET. Start by running the standard Widget profile through a CAD program, and increase it proportionally in all dimensions until it is about a foot longer. With all dimensions increasing at the same ratio, that beautiful Widget profile remains unchanged, just bigger. The head room would increase by about 6 inches to about 78 inches, more than you need, so you could eliminate the need for the drop floor. At 11 feet, with the Widget profile I will not need the extra 2 feet of floor up front of the trailer, but I will need the tongue extension to have tow vehicle swing room. (The profile bulges forward a good bit). For the Widget, I will still need to cut about a foot off the BACK of the frame. This will effectivly move the axle line back, to be just about right for the profile.
That's as far as I have gotten up to now. I will leave it up to the rest of you guys to design the interior layout. I am sure you will come up with something handsome, and effective.
Does anybodysee anything wrong or outright dangerous in what I have laid out here? Now is the time, before sparks and saw dust....... :roll:
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Postby angib » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:03 am

I think you need to consider what height trailer you will end up with. Red Trailers say:
Height from Ground to Top of Deck - 23"

and then you want to add 78" mostly on top of that, so that's a total of 101". You might be able to swap the axle to ride over the springs but that's only going to change that total by 3" or so.

I think the stability issue isn't too bad - you will get the same sort of height-to-width ratio that conventional trailers have. But at over eight feet high, this won't be an easy tow, so you'll need a decent size tow vehicle.

Building a trailer this size well under 2,000lb isn't easy, so you will have to have a lightweight plan. You want some reserve on the axle rating, plus you need some weight for the things you will carry, so you need a finished (empty) weight of maybe 1,500lb at most. Given the way you're throwing extra feet in here and there, keeping below 1,500lb may be very hard.

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Postby fastED » Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:41 am

I have a Dodge Ram Hemi, so towing is not a problem. The height can be reduced by about 6-8 inches with some "tricks of the trade". It's still going to be pretty tall though. To tell you the truth, I really hadn't thought much about those 23 inches below the deck...
The enemy is weight. I plan to keep the weight down through aggressive pursuit of light construction, and refusal to deck out the interior. Absolute minimum of cabinets. The galley will have only a sink. no other built-ins. No stove, no water, no tankage, Porta-pottie for the john. shower pan only. the rest will be a round-hung curtain. All the kitchen "stuff"- stove, ten gallons of water, cooler, food and cookware will ride in the truck until I get where I'm going. Same for the Propane bottle, the battery, and the water pump. Sitting still, weight is not a big issue.
This weight vs (everything else) is a very interesting puzzle. I used to work for a large Engineering outfit, CH2M Hill, and I learned that there are "grey areas" that you can safely exploit IF you really understand the problem, and think outside the box. I am having a blast. I haven't been this interested in something for quite a while. This is a great puzzle, designing a larg-ish trailer within the confines of existing equipment, and an aboslutely ridgid weight limit........
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Postby GPW » Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:14 am

WE have an idea to make our profile frame out of laminated Spruce, light and strong...the aircraft industry has used it for many years where lightness id important...many shapes possible...with a little steam bending...
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Postby GPW » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:06 am

Not exactly the building season eh??? :(
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Postby GPW » Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:58 am

We've given Considerable thought to the Standy design lately, and it's just hard to beat Mikes or TWs designs for something practical for our needs...The simpler is usually the better, and we can't seem to visualize anything simpler or more user friendly.. Anybody with a better idea, sure hope they chime in now , before I start building....making space in the studio, collecting wood/ parts (salvage)... it is the building season already.... gotta' be finished by June 1... :o
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Postby mikeschn » Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:54 pm

TW? :?

GPW wrote: or TWs designs for something practical for our needs...
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