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Postby Russ in California » Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:49 pm

S. Heisley wrote:Hi, Russ:

Your idea makes sense, at least for this side of the mountains. I, too, like to camp away from lots of people and hate the shadow of a motor home and the belching sound of a generator. At the risk of highjacking Mandy's thread, (Thanks, Mandy.)I'll just ask one more question.

What size is your swamp cooler and what kind of a pull does it have on your battery (or how long does your battery last when using it)?


:oops: Ok, I don't actually have one yet, but my inspiration and blueprint is from Larry Sorrensen. Here's a link to the page it's on: http://www.outbackteardrop.com/body8.html?. It's the second thing down the page. Pretty cool stuff.
He says it draws, as designed, less than 2 amps on high and 1.2 amps on low . Less than his porch light bulb. :thumbsup:
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Postby 2bits » Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:30 pm

As an example, tent sites can cost $8 per night and electric/ full hook up including water sites can cost $15 per night. Yes, that's double, but still not that much.
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Postby S. Heisley » Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:44 am

Thanks for the input, Russ and Thomas.

Okay, I'm giving this back to Mandy by making my own comments on air conditioning in trailers.

A lot of people do it; but, having an air conditioner on the outside not only means having to carry it and put it into position each time but also leaves some other areas of concern. There's the thermostat problem mentioned earlier in this thread. Then, there is the issue of water and electrical grounding. Is it really safe sitting on the ground? (Keeping it in a plastic milk-type box may solve that problem, I don't know.) But, what if there is an unexpected rainstorm and the unit is in use outside? What if kids start snooping around when you aren't there? How secure is the ducting system? Could a kid pull it off? Is it possible that the unit could get "ten-finger discounted"? (Just a few thoughts to consider....)

Mandy, if you decide to wait to see if you need it, you could still plan for it. You could build in the extra internal wooden support braces needed based on the unit you might get. (I'm guessing it would be a small window type of unit based on a standard window size.) If you are using solid plywood walls instead of sandwich walls, you wouldn't even need to do that ahead of time. If and when you get one, all you'd have to do is cut away the extra material where you've already got the braces, frame the hole and slip the unit in.

Barb's setup is a clever add-on solution that gets away from the thermostat problem and the need to add wooden support braces in the walls but it looks like you still have to carry it and slip it in place each time. If space is limited, this may be a good avenue.

Summing up, I believe that, if at all possible, the unit should be mounted on the trailer somehow but you can probably find a way to plan for it and still not put it in unless you're certain that you really want or need it. That also has the benefit of saving money for your actual build, should you need it. As long as you've planned for it, you can always add the unit after your build is usable...or not....

I hope this helps you. Thanks again for letting me highjack your thread for a little while.

E-Hugs and Good Wishes to you :)
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Postby rhltechie » Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:11 am

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to diss anyone


no diss here...we just happen to really like state parks around these parts becuase they are near such beautiful water areas and we are kayakers. the sites are almost very spread apart, i hardly ever see anyone and i get that "get away" feeling. I work in computers, so just getting to do this is like being on top of mt everest alone.

sharon, about the AC inside. I just really can't say i am ready to put it inside to take up space. we really wanted to be able to take it when we need it and not when we dont. The idea of being able to throw it in the back of the TV really appeals to me. When we camp in the mountains, we would never need AC. It's just those few times we camp in the dead of summer that it would be nice.

thanks for all your input!
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Postby McBrew » Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:32 am

As a current builder myself, I'd like to toss my idea into the mix. I thought about the AC a lot, and decided to use a window unit through the wall. I am only going to have one door, and the AC will go in the opposite wall. I am probably going to frame up a window and make it in such a way that I can remove the window (or have it hinge down) and slide the AC unit into the hole. Then there will be a support from the outer most lip of the AC unit to the trailer frame to take some of the twisting force off of the wall.

The reason I decided to do this is that it is easy and it allows the AC unit to operate the way it was intended. No extra fabrication involved for ducting, no worries about draining condensation, the thermostat and all controls work as designed, and the AC doesn't take up any space when I don't need it!

You pretty much need AC around here, and a swamp cooler won't cut it. It is close to 100% humidity in the summer in Maryland.

Out here on the East coast, most of the campgrounds tend to be relatively small state parks (compared to parks out West). There are not a lot of places to really "rough it," unless you mean a Wal-Mart parking lot! Most of the state parks have electric sites and non-electric sites, but many of the non-electric sites are tent-only.
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Postby b.bodemer » Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:40 am

Mandy,
I really didn't have any room for AC to be incorporated in my buid. Even though I made the insert and am ready to use AC I've not needed to pack it yet.

Like you I have no problem taking the AC on a trip when needed. Because I have a truck I have room to add the AC for any trip where it will get too hot. I usually have a shelter over the TD so by leaving the door open, to add the insert and AC , the door is still protected from the elements.

Couldn't turn down such a simple solution......leftover plywood, pipe insulation on the insert to protect the door framing, and a AC that bottomed out in price at Home Depot for $50.
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ps....I also made an insert for those days it would be warmer but not too hot that I would need AC........so here's a pic of my screen insert.
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Postby S. Heisley » Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:44 am

Jesse wrote:
As a current builder myself, I'd like to toss my idea into the mix. I thought about the AC a lot, and decided to use a window unit through the wall. I am only going to have one door, and the AC will go in the opposite wall. I am probably going to frame up a window and make it in such a way that I can remove the window (or have it hinge down) and slide the AC unit into the hole. Then there will be a support from the outer most lip of the AC unit to the trailer frame to take some of the twisting force off of the wall.

The reason I decided to do this is that it is easy and it allows the AC unit to operate the way it was intended. No extra fabrication involved for ducting, no worries about draining condensation, the thermostat and all controls work as designed, and the AC doesn't take up any space when I don't need it!


Jesse, that is a great idea! It seems like that is the best of both worlds.
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Postby Russ in California » Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:40 pm

Here in Coastal Upstate California, we've always joked about how humid it is. And it is. It just doesn't get very hot right on the coast where I live.
Before this spring, when the record temp went up one degree, the old record was set the last week in Oct. in 1996. Wait for it..... wait for it....87 degrees. :lol: Yes, laugh if you like, most do. And we've also scoffed at those living in the desert when it gets well over 100, you know...'it's a dry heat'. Thank goodness it is. I personally like it warm, dry and throw in some high elevation...like over 5000' and preferably over 7000'.

Don't mean to ramble on about this but I find the weather back east quite amazing with high temps and humidity. I guess 'spring freshness' doesn't enter into the equation, eh. I've heard the stories about the humidity and it just sounds gastly.
So, I guess my swamp cooler and I will be ok and a hearty 'good luck' to everyone working on an AC install.
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Postby satch » Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:19 pm

Don't mean to ramble on about this but I find the weather back east quite amazing with high temps and humidity. I guess 'spring freshness' doesn't enter into the equation, eh. I've heard the stories about the humidity and it just sounds gastly.


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Postby Russ in California » Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:17 pm

satch wrote:
Don't mean to ramble on about this but I find the weather back east quite amazing with high temps and humidity. I guess 'spring freshness' doesn't enter into the equation, eh. I've heard the stories about the humidity and it just sounds gastly.


AAHH, you gotta love Cali! 8)


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Postby satch » Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:07 pm

Russ in California wrote:
satch wrote:
Don't mean to ramble on about this but I find the weather back east quite amazing with high temps and humidity. I guess 'spring freshness' doesn't enter into the equation, eh. I've heard the stories about the humidity and it just sounds gastly.


AAHH, you gotta love Cali! 8)


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Postby rhltechie » Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:41 am

I've heard the stories about the humidity and it just sounds gastly.


ah man...i love living in the south, but when its that time of year its seriously nasty. as soon as you walk out the door you are drenched. whew!! :fan:

Thanks for all of your great ideas!! I still have not decided what I shall do, but I am taking it all in.
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Postby Russ in California » Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:47 am

I'd have to admit actual AC would be best, but I've poked around some and there doesn't seem to be much in the way of 'affordable' 12v AC that is of a size one could mount IN a small TD. I might continue to look but since I live out here in the arid west, I just might have to stick with my swamp cooler. Besides, Larry's design is small and very affordable.
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