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[Guest]

FrontPage is certainly not a user friendly program...
I can't even venture to guess how many times I've looked at that blank page today.
I'm beat... The computer wins today's battle.
Hopefully, bg will be able to go in and look at my files and find an easy fix, because I'm just going to make things worse from this end...
Thanks for the encouragement...

[Guest]

bg,
I've looked at everything with a fresh set of eyes this morning, attitude included.
Here's the problem on my end...
1. I can only upload the webpage using the secure connection, (SSL)
using the file path of: /www.pamplingrove.com. Frontpage switches the url from http:// to https://www.pamplingrove.com. Frontpage will not let me reset the file path now that a connection has been made for some reason.
2. When I try to pubish the website via non secure connection, I enter the destination of http://www.pamplingrove.com, which prompts me to enter the username and password, which gives me an error message, "Client Closed Connection" imediately after entering the password.

I even imported the blank page from the domain, edited it and when I tried to publish it, I was once again automatically locked into the secure connection mode which published it to https//:www.pamplingrove.com.

I'm stuck and I'm not going to spend another day at the computer, only to hit all these roadblocks.
I need you to tell me what to do next.
I'm sorry that I'm not more savy about this stuff and for dragging you into my problem.

[bg]

Finally got it to work from my end.



Your config screen should look like that, no SSL required, it asks for the user and pw and works for me...

[Guest]

Thanks bg,
I'll try it, but I do have my doubts. (Things on my end)
Thanks for putting up with me.
I just downloaded NVU, a program that Will Smith reccomended....
If I can't get Frontpage to work, I'll give NVU a go.

[Gage]

Thanks bg,
I'll try it, but I do have my doubts. (Things on my end)
Thanks for putting up with me.
I just downloaded NVU, a program that Will Smith reccomended....
If I can't get Frontpage to work, I'll give NVU a go.

Have a better day Dean...............

Gage

[Guest]

Gage,
You've been there too, haven't you?
(We need an emoticon like that except he needs to have a sledge hammer in hand)

bg,
Frontpage still would not work for me, so I'm putting that program away.
I made up a preview page in NVU, (Thanks Will) seems like a much friendlier program for someone with my limited skills.
I was able to publish with this new program, but was only succesfull in ftp.
Please take a look at these four screen shots, especially the first two, maybe you'll see something that I need to change.



When I tried to publish in http:// it failed.


This is what I see when I'm logged on to your site while on the file manager page, so I know they uploaded.


When I log on to your site and go to file manager, I can view the content of the jpgs and they show up, but when I view the PamplinGrovePeview.html page, the images are red x'ed like this.

I'm still getting the blank page when I go to the website domain, but there is now a url of the domain in the upper left corner... I think that was from your test.

Please let me know if you see something I need to change...

[bg]

Change your 'publishing server' to ftp://ftp.pamplingrove.com/www . It should put them in the right place.

Looks like NVU doesn't support frontpage extensions, which is fine.

[Joanne]

Hey Dean,

It looks like you have things under control with bg hosting your page. When you get done putting up your page, you'll know more about being a webmaster than you ever wanted to! ;-)

Have a good one,
Joanne

[bg]

Dean, I moved your files to the www directory.

http://www.pamplingrove.com/PamplinGrovePreview.html

[Nitetimes]

Dean, I have a question for U. Are you using Cpanel on the server? If so I might see your problem. If not what are you using?

[Guest]

Nitetimes,
Please ask bg that question... I know what it is but I don't know if bg wants me to give that info out or not.

bg,
That way worked the best so far...
I get the index page when I go to the url, but I can click on the PamplinGrovePreview file and get there.
Is there something I can do so that the index page get's bypassed?
(Change the name of the home page to index.htm?)

Joanne,
I haven't even tried anything hard yet, like forms and tables....

[bg]

It's cpanel, But that's not the issue.

(Change the name of the home page to index.htm?)

That's exactly what you need to do.

[Guest]

OK,
Now... Do I do that on your end in file manager or do I change the name on my end and republish?

[bg]

Change the name on your end and re publish it.

[TomS]

Dean,

I make my living as a web geek for a local newspaper. One possible cause for those broken images might be how your naming your files and referencing them in your code. Windows operating systems are not case sensitive when it comes to file names. However, many web servers run on Unix and Linux which are case sensitive. So for example, if you name an image "pamplin.jpg", and you reference it as "Pamplin.jpg" in your code, it will look fine when you view it locally. However, it will result in a broken image on the live site. Now, I make it a practice to use all-lower case on my file names and in my code. I do it all the time now and don't have to think about it.

<<<<< WARNING! WARNING! RANT AHEAD >>>>>>>>

I started out using FrontPage several years ago. Once I learned what I was doing, I stopped using it. Now, I just HATE the F&^%n' thing. It's more trouble than it's worth, even for beginners. It generates dirty, bloated and non-compliant code that doesn't play well on non-Microsoft broswers (I know this come as a shock. - NOT). On top of all that, they require hosting provides install Microsoft's propritary "extensions" on thier servers. Talk about arrogance!

Do yourself a favor. Dump FrontPage.

<<<<<< OK FOLKS THE SHOW IS OVER. NOTHING MORE TO SEE HERE MOVE ALONG. MOVE ALONG. >>>>>>>>>>>>>

Get a decent book on HTML. The bookstores are full of them. If you're smart enough to build a tear drop, then you're more then smart enough to learn HTML in a weekend. Sit down and start playing with the code. In a couple of days you'll be amazed at what you'll be able to do.

Also, tables are not that difficult. As long as you remember to close and nest your tags properly. I always indent my code to help me visualize my table structure like this:



If you feel that you MUST use visual web design software, Dream Weaver is very highly regarded. I have a colleague who swears by it. I've never used it as I am a control freak who prefer to work in code.

Anyway, I hope this long-winded reply helps.

This is what I see when I'm logged on to your site while on the file manager page, so I know they uploaded.


When I log on to your site and go to file manager, I can view the content of the jpgs and they show up, but when I view the PamplinGrovePeview.html page, the images are red x'ed like this.

I'm still getting the blank page when I go to the website domain, but there is now a url of the domain in the upper left corner... I think that was from your test.