Horse shot with arrows... THEY CAUGHT THE BOY . 18 years old

[Aaron Coffee]

One question this all brings up in my mind is, what constitutes an animal? Might sound like a stupid question, but do birds(sparrows, barn swallows, etc.), rats and other animals that are considered pests and vermin, count. As a kid I remember shooting birds with bb guns(in my own defense I usually missed)and shooting rats with 22s. Would have got our hides tanned if we ever shot at pets, or livestock, though.

[Larwyn]

If a person has already managed to get that stupid in only 17 or 18 years, he should not be allowed the opportunity to become more so. At the very least he should be subjected to a private training session with the horse's owner and any number of guests which the owner chooses to have on hand. If he is ever seen again after that training session he should then be prosecuted. They can psychoanalyze him in prison, and prison will take care of any question on whether or not he is in possession of any type of weapon.

Actually I think the punishment depcted in my earlier post would still be most apropriate. I realize it would not teach him a lesson, but it would make others think before they act.

[starleen2]

I still say: what better way to tell other teens (and possible misfits) about his crime and what it cost him if he has to conduct supervised shooting seminars for other juveniles. To just throw em’ in jail doesn’t do much for getting’ the message out. Once in jail the message seems clear – don’t do it. But we still arrest drunk drivers and put them in jail and still the problem persist ( disclaimer: i do know there is a difference between drunk driving and this case). But I HAVE sat with other teens who heard accounts of teens who were involved with drunk driving and what it cost them! Not a dry eye in place! Teens will listen to other teens especially if they know that they will get caught and prosecuted. He may be psychotic (or not), Nevertheless what he done was just plain stupid and amounts to animal cruelty charges – he will pay somehow.

On the other hand: in a rural community where we once lived – a punk kid was going around bashing mailboxes on some county roads. The residents were put up with this happening night after night. One night an elderly lady spotted the truck that was doing the bashing and called the county deputy. The county sent out an officer to the trucks residence – of course the young man denied it. The county officer could not do much unless they had some real solid evidence. Later that night the young man went to the elderly ladies house and wrapped a chain around her mailbox and pulled it up out of the ground and bashed several more in retribution. That was it for the community. Two nights later - someone who owned a wrecker -spotted the truck and towed it to another location whereby it was pummeled by baseball bats, axes, and a sledge hammer – the glass was broken out then left in a conspicuous location with a note inside a crushed mailbox: don’t even bother reporting this to the county – we have! End of problem – backwoods east Texas style

[Larwyn]

] End of problem – backwoods east Texas style

Backwoods East Texas is where I was born and raised, right on the river (Sabine). Maybe that is where I get my "sense of justice", well, that and the fact that my Dad was a Deputy Sheriff, a cattleman and a horseman....

[starleen2]

] End of problem – backwoods east Texas style

Backwoods East Texas is where I was born and raised, right on the river (Sabine). Maybe that is where I get my "sense of justice", well, that and the fact that my Dad was a Deputy Sheriff, a cattleman and a horseman....

You're getting closer - this incident happened in Panola County right near the Sabine river crossing over HWY 59 (that's where the truck was found after being "worked" over

[Larwyn]

] End of problem – backwoods east Texas style

Backwoods East Texas is where I was born and raised, right on the river (Sabine). Maybe that is where I get my "sense of justice", well, that and the fact that my Dad was a Deputy Sheriff, a cattleman and a horseman....

You're getting closer - this incident happened in Panola County right near the Sabine river crossing over HWY 59 (that's where the truck was found after being "worked" over

Well I do not remember exactly where the county line was, may have been the river itself, but the bridge in question is only about 5 miles from the farm where I grew up...

[caseydog]

] End of problem – backwoods east Texas style

Backwoods East Texas is where I was born and raised, right on the river (Sabine). Maybe that is where I get my "sense of justice", well, that and the fact that my Dad was a Deputy Sheriff, a cattleman and a horseman....

Maybe my problem is that I grew up in civilization. Then I moved to Southeast Texas -- right by the Sabine river. Shoot, I remember when being black was a crime after dark. So, being that I'm not a REAL Texan, I didn't quite understand the old East Texas system of Justice.

Then I went and got myself a college education, and completely ruined my credentials as a real Texan, at the least, and in the eyes of some, that knocked my American credentials down a few pegs.

I lived in a town that is now known as a cancer magnet. I got cancer. So I think that having the biggest PCB incinerator in the world may not be something for Texans to brag about.

Maybe if I live here long enough, I'll come to understand what it means to be a real Texan, and if I'm lucky, I'll get to shoot someone for trying to steal my chickens.



I reckon I'd first have to get me some chickens.

CD

[Larwyn]

Maybe my problem is that I grew up in civilization. Then I moved to Southeast Texas -- right by the Sabine river. Shoot, I remember when being black was a crime after dark. So, being that I'm not a REAL Texan, I didn't quite understand the old East Texas system of Justice.

Then I went and got myself a college education, and completely ruined my credentials as a real Texan, at the least, and in the eyes of some, that knocked my American credentials down a few pegs.

I lived in a town that is now known as a cancer magnet. I got cancer. So I think that having the biggest PCB incinerator in the world may not be something for Texans to brag about.

Maybe if I live here long enough, I'll come to understand what it means to be a real Texan, and if I'm lucky, I'll get to shoot someone for trying to steal my chickens.



I reckon I'd first have to get me some chickens.

CD

I'm not sure what all that means.

If not for the Viet Nam war, by your way of thinking I would have been educated right out of my Texan status.

They ain't made the chicken worth killing over, but I reckon it's okay to shoot a thief on your own land just because he is a thief, even if he is only after the chickens.

Working in the power industry I have been soaked in transformer oil containing PCB's on more than one occasion. I've spent hours inside the transformers terminating/re-strapping leads. So far no Cancer diagnosis, but I have heard that burning the PCB's is more toxic than bathing in them (always kind of doubted that though).

[Geron]

I don't particularly like where this thread is going!!!



Sorry I "stole" your "thunder" Caseydog

[caseydog]

That's okay, I stole that graphic, too.

And, it is your thread, so you are the boss. I'll let Lawryn have the last word., and stick to the program.

CD

[planovet]

One question this all brings up in my mind is, what constitutes an animal? Might sound like a stupid question, but do birds(sparrows, barn swallows, etc.), rats and other animals that are considered pests and vermin, count.

In the state of Texas Penal Code, an animal is described as such:

"Animal" means a domesticated living creature and
wild living creature previously captured. "Animal" does not include
an uncaptured wild creature or a wild creature whose capture was
accomplished by conduct at issue under this section.

[Larwyn]

One question this all brings up in my mind is, what constitutes an animal? Might sound like a stupid question, but do birds(sparrows, barn swallows, etc.), rats and other animals that are considered pests and vermin, count.

In the state of Texas Penal Code, an animal is described as such:

"Animal" means a domesticated living creature and
wild living creature previously captured. "Animal" does not include
an uncaptured wild creature or a wild creature whose capture was
accomplished by conduct at issue under this section.

Well, that confuses matters a bit now, doesn't it? Rather than changing the definition of a word, why did they not create a new word of their own.
I thought purty much anything with a brain that could move voluntarily was an animal. With that definition, I'm not even sure that I am an animal myself............

[planovet]

I'm not even sure that I am an animal myself......

I think you would fall under the "wild living creature previously captured'.

[bc toys]

well the texas rules arond our naghborhood was if you did something wrong on your way home you might get wooped by ever parent that heard about it and yes it has happened to me got as many as 5 on my way home then get home and get more now thats texas justass.

[caseydog]

One question this all brings up in my mind is, what constitutes an animal? Might sound like a stupid question, but do birds(sparrows, barn swallows, etc.), rats and other animals that are considered pests and vermin, count.

In the state of Texas Penal Code, an animal is described as such:

"Animal" means a domesticated living creature and
wild living creature previously captured. "Animal" does not include
an uncaptured wild creature or a wild creature whose capture was
accomplished by conduct at issue under this section.

Well, I hate rats (as you have probably read on this forum), and have killed many of them that have made the mistake of entering my garage, but I was careful to choose the type of trap that was most likely to do the job quickly.

There is a difference between killing a rat in your home with a rat trap, and catching a rat, and killing it slowly for entertainment.

I find tarantulas in my yard every year around fall, and I capture them and release them in the field down the road. I remember kids who used to catch flies and pull off a wing to watch them spin helplessly on a flat surface. Even a fly can be subjected to cruelty.

Whether a horse, or a fly (or even a horsefly -- sorry), it is the mindset of the person that is the primary concern. If I had a kid, and caught him tearing wings off of flies for "fun," I'd have a long sit-down with him about that. I'd want him to seriously question his ideas of what constitutes "fun."

CD