Should I buy a MAC...???

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Postby GeorgeTelford » Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:38 am

Hi Tony

Apple do not tack large chunks of the OS into bios. Apple is not a closed system, in fact I have run many different OS's on a Mac, Linux, Unix, any flavour of windows you care to mention.


Even with Apple around gates (MS) as been in court constantly due to monopoly. It was $150 Million btw. and it turned out to be an excellent investment. Whethor MS feels threatened as no bearing on which is the better computer.

Jim is right about the amount of software that comes with basic Mac, I changed and was surprised how little the software extra software cost me. one other interesting point is that my son aged 8 set up a mac from scratch and was on internet in under 25 Mins having never used a mac!
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Postby Arne » Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:31 am

That's it the, get a Mac..... whew, glad this is over...
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Postby TonyCooper » Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:09 am

Hi George,

The OS is more tightly bound to the BIOS then in Wintel systems... That is all I am saying. They build an OS for 1 manufacturer and 1 BIOS. A much easier task then building for a myriad of clone MB and BIOS, and the thousands of peripheral components.

The amount of the loan was not the point I was trying to convey. The point is that MS bailed out Apple when Apple was sinking. And even more important then the cash infusion was the agreement reached where MS would continue to support Office for the Apple. I'm talking about 1996-1997 time frame when MS was in the heat of the monopoly battles in both Europe and the US, and Steve Jobs was just returning to a very distressed Apple that had seen it market share drop from 20% to less then 5%.

Sidebar The NeXT box was a wonderful computer... I loved that spreadsheet program! Lotus Improv! Years ahead of its time. I still have a copy of it for Win 3.1 and every now and then try to make it run on my XP system.

I didn't go research any of this before posting... so it may have been 150M and not 200... there is such a tangled web of cross pollination in this industry it is difficult to recall all the details of every transaction from a memory of something that occured 10 years back.

And it doesn't really matter... If you are happy with a MAC I say great... Like I said they are great boxes and Apple is a great company... and Steve Jobs is a great fellow with vision.

With Regards to Apples OS and BIOS from a marketing perspective; do you see any Apple competitors? Any Apple Clones? Nope... Cause the BIOS is proprietary and must be licensed from Apple. And Apple made it so expensive to license to manufacturers (the Bios) that it stifles competitors. IIRC, when Jobs returned he pulled the license off the market so I don't even think you can buy manufacturing rights anymore. (from memory again)

All in all, not a bad business model, but it keeps the Apple standard from gaining large market share as they are the only fish in a small (5% market) pond.

Not so with Wintel based computers - clones and Bios are everywhere.
IBM long ago opened up the standard in an effort to get it major support. They succeeded in capturing the standard but lost out to the many clone competitors that were more nimble in the market place. Compaq being the notable first, Dell now holds that position. Now a (95% market share) BIG Wintel pond exists where IBM is no longer even a small fish (in personal desktops and laptops).

And right now the major cash cow for Apple is the Ipod. Steve Jobs genius at work again.
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Postby Arne » Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:03 am

Please, just announce you've bought a Mac... I'm begging you....
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Postby TonyCooper » Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:19 am

arnereil wrote:Please, just announce you've bought a Mac... I'm begging you....


I bought a MAC!:lol:

And better then that I actually got Improv to run on my XP system!

Woo Hoo! :thumbsup:
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Postby Arne » Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:30 am

No, I meant Larwyn..... not that you don't count of course....

Larwyn, get off your duff and get to the Mac store, or whereever they come from........ they are the best.... really... you will just LOVE your new Mac... and I'm sure it will love you back and give you years of great service with no viruses or lockups.... and it looks nice.... and I really like the colors and the jingle and the spinning Mac things in the ads.... And, it will run everything, I just know it will.... did I mention I really like the colors...?
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Postby toypusher » Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:15 pm

no viruses or lockups


I would not bet on that! Very few I would bet on, though!
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Postby Larwyn » Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:05 pm

It will probably be first of next month when I actually buy the new laptop.

I was afraid this would turn out to be a Ford/Chevy type thing when I posted it, but knowing there were mac users on the group I did want to know if there were any unknown (to me) hurdles involved in the change over to a different operating system.

I will probably choose the mac power book G-4.

I do want to thank everyone for their comments here, believe it or not they have been helpful..... :D
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Postby TonyCooper » Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:16 pm

I learned a long time ago you go with what floats YOUR boat. Best of luck with your new MAC! I'm sure you'll enjoy it and you 'll get many years of service.
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Postby BufordT » Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:20 pm

Larwyn wrote:I will probably choose the mac power book G-4.



Sure am glad you decided Larwyn. You made the right dicission. You'll enjoy the mac when you learn the system.

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Postby asianflava » Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:54 pm

I'm glad you made your choice too. But mostly for my benefit.....so that this thread could go away.
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Postby BufordT » Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:56 pm

I'll miss this one. I was enjoying it so much.

Lots of good info.

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Postby Bobgorilla » Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:16 pm

;) I know I'm late to this thread, but no one has mentioned the only really good reason to pick pc over mac. GAMES! I can't be the only one on this forum who enjoys games, but I might be the only one to admit it 8) :lol:
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Postby BufordT » Sun Nov 13, 2005 4:24 am

That's not a good reason Bob.
My son says the NEW XBOX 360 is the game machine.

I don't play games on my Apple very often. But if I want to play games I'd get the new xbox.

Just my 2 cents.

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Postby Bobgorilla » Sun Nov 13, 2005 7:51 pm

:oops: Buford, unfortunately I have a budget and space problem, if I can only have 1 I'll take a pc everytime ;)
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