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Re: Brakes

Postby eamarquardt » Sun May 09, 2010 10:50 am

Dale M. wrote:
boxcar wrote:....

All joking aside I think Gus is on the right track here we should all lirn from his wisdom......... Boxcar....


Now if we could just get him to do away with the bold enhancement of the fonts "italics is more appropriate"...... At least in "publishing industry" that is way its done...

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I used bold only to differentiate between two posts. Not sure how to do italics but willing to learn. Perhaps I could have used a different color but just didn't think it was all that important as long as it was different. Not being in the publishing industry, I'm somewhat ignorant of "industry standards" in that arena. You wanna talk about routing DS0's, T1s, and T3s and diversity of fiber optic routes, I'm game!

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Postby parnold » Sun May 09, 2010 11:56 am

You wanna talk about routing DS0's, T1s, and T3s and diversity of fiber optic routes, I'm game!


Gus:

I have a Cisco router that I can't get to pass through incoming traffic to my web server machine.. what am I doing wrong??

Ok.. just kidding.. now back on topic.

My tear is estimated at 800 lbs loaded, my tv is 2800 lbs. No brakes on this trailer, and I don't even notice it's there when braking. My next tear will have brakes as it will be bigger and heavier.
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Re: Brakes

Postby Dale M. » Sun May 09, 2010 1:28 pm

eamarquardt wrote:
Dale M. wrote:
boxcar wrote:....

All joking aside I think Gus is on the right track here we should all lirn from his wisdom......... Boxcar....


Now if we could just get him to do away with the bold enhancement of the fonts "italics is more appropriate"...... At least in "publishing industry" that is way its done...

Dale


I used bold only to differentiate between two posts. Not sure how to do italics but willing to learn. Perhaps I could have used a different color but just didn't think it was all that important as long as it was different. Not being in the publishing industry, I'm somewhat ignorant of "industry standards" in that arena. You wanna talk about routing DS0's, T1s, and T3s and diversity of fiber optic routes, I'm game!

Cheers,

Gus


Know how you highlight text and then hit the "B" box for bold ... Well the "I" box next to the "B" box does it in "Italics".... There is also a Underline box......
And a "quote" box'''


TI and T3's... I remember some of that as we built a lot of the fiber optic back bone for AT&T and Verison and MCI and Sprint and SP.. during the internet boom..... Actually we didn't care what the speed was as long as it all met test parameters..... T1 & T3 speeds where for the drones that did the cross-connects in the central offices.....

Actually I remember a lot .. Telecommuncations was my game for 38 years.....

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Postby Rigsby » Sun May 09, 2010 4:23 pm

A few weeks ago i downloaded some data from the EBS braking ECU on a truck to check for a brake wear fault. Given that the driver is a veteran, nearing retirement, i found that over a year for 90% of the time he only used 10% of his braking eficiency, and never went over 85%
These figures are ideal, but its the 10% of the time where you need to know that the pride and joy you have built is not going to push you into the vehicle in front
DOOIN IT THE YAARKSHA WAY--FA NOWT, THA NUS !!
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Postby afreegreek » Sun May 09, 2010 4:53 pm

brakes are cheap.. I can't figure out why so many think they're better off going with out. if anything should be mandatory it should be brakes.. every wheel should have one.
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Postby boxcar » Mon May 10, 2010 10:13 am

I think people get all hung up defending what they have done instead of admiting what they should have done..Boxcar...
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Postby Shadow Catcher » Mon May 10, 2010 12:11 pm

"I think people get all hung up defending what they have done instead of admitting what they should have done..Boxcar."

I will buy that!

It boils down to, you don't need them till you need them and i do NOT want to be the cause of an accident.

earmarquardt did a good job on the home work and one of the lessons I learned is the value in that. Opinions are nice but until you have the numbers...
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Texas Stopping requirements

Postby eamarquardt » Wed May 12, 2010 12:23 am

Although the point has been made that you can legally tow a trailer in Texas up to 4500# w/o brakes, that is not the entire story.

Apparently they have taken into account that some vehicles are more suited for towing than others and have established criteria for actual stopping performance. Many other states have similar criteria.

Even if you are under the weight requirements for your trailer requiring brakes you can still be operating illegally if you can't stop in the distances required.

If my math is correct, every vehicle has to be able to stop from 20 miles per hour in 2.1 seconds. I don't understand why they have different distances for different type of vehicles but every vehicle has to be able to stop (decerate) at a minimum rate of 14 feet/second/second (some must decerate even faster). Even at the slower rate of stopping the max distance based upon deceleration is 31 feet not 50 feet.

20 mph=105600 feet per hour= 29.33 feet per second

29.33 feet/second / 14 feet/second/second=2.1 seconds to stop

distance=1/2 A T(squared)=1/2 (14 feet/second/second) * 2.1 sec * 2.1 sec= 31 feet

So, under Texas law you must stop in 31 feet when going 20 miles per hour!

I find this interesting. Not sure too many others will.

More of the "World According to Gus".

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TEXAS LAW:

Sec. 547.408. PERFORMANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR BRAKES.

(a) A motor vehicle or combination of vehicles shall be equipped with service brakes capable of:
(1) developing a braking force that is not less than:
(A) 52.8 percent of the gross weight of the vehicle for a
passenger vehicle; or
(B) 43.5 percent of the gross weight of the vehicle for a vehicle
other than a passenger vehicle;
(2) decelerating to a stop from 20 miles per hour or less at not less
than:
(A) 17 feet per second per second for a passenger vehicle; or
(B) 14 feet per second per second for other vehicles; and
(3) stopping from a speed of 20 miles per hour in a distance,
measured from the location where the service brake pedal or
control is activated, of not more than:
(A) 25 feet for a passenger vehicle;
(B) 30 feet for a motorcycle, motor-driven cycle, or single unit
vehicle with a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating
of 10,000 pounds or less;
(C) 40 feet for:
(i) a single unit vehicle with a manufacturer's gross
weight rating of more than 10,000 pounds;
(ii) a two-axle towing vehicle and trailer combination
with a weight of 3,000 pounds or less;
(iii) a bus that does not have a manufacturer's gross
weight rating; and
(iv) the combination of vehicles in an operation
exempted by Section 547.407(b); and
(D) 50 feet for other vehicles.
(b) A test for deceleration or stopping distance shall be performed on a
dry, smooth, hard surface that:
(1) is free of loose material; and
(2) does not exceed plus or minus one percent grade.
(c) In this section, "passenger vehicle" means a vehicle that has a
maximum seating capacity of 10 persons, including the operator, and
that does not have a manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating.

Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.
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Re: Texas Stopping requirements

Postby Larwyn » Wed May 12, 2010 8:40 am

eamarquardt wrote:Although the point has been made that you can legally tow a trailer in Texas up to 4500# w/o brakes, that is not the entire story.



That was in response to the blanket statement that it is illegal to tow a trailer over 1500 pounds without trailer brakes. Which though true for California is also "not the entire story".

I have never been against trailer brakes, I even have an electric brake control on my truck that was installed when I got the 5th wheel travel trailer that I no longer own. I also have two trailers without brakes and, knowing how to use them, have never had any problem getting them to stop where I want. My 10 foot flatbed, rated at 3,500 pounds, has traveled thousands of miles, all in the state of Texas, but probably never loaded beyond 2500 pounds or so, usually much less.

Even a "small minded fool" would not hook up a 4500 pound trailer, with or without brakes, to a PT Cruiser and think that the rig was legal in the Great State of Texas.
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Postby madjack » Wed May 12, 2010 8:59 am

...oh, I don't know Larwyn...goto google images and enter overloaded cars/trucks/trailer/vehicles and see MANY "small minded fools" :o :shock: :? .......
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Postby Larwyn » Wed May 12, 2010 9:32 am

madjack wrote:...oh, I don't know Larwyn...goto google images and enter overloaded cars/trucks/trailer/vehicles and see MANY "small minded fools" :o :shock: :? .......
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Well, I'll be.

At this point I would like to decline my recent nomination as "small minded fool".............. :lol: :lol:
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Postby Shadow Catcher » Wed May 12, 2010 12:53 pm

Good one MadJack
I think that this comes down to the first second and third law of unintended consequences which are.
• Ignorance
• Error
• Imperious immediacy of interest. The consequence is so important to the individual that they chose to ignore unintended effects.
• Basic values. E.g. The Protestant ethic of hard work and asceticism, he wrote, "paradoxically leads to its own decline through the accumulation of wealth and possessions."
• Self-Defeating prediction. The prediction that unchecked abuse of the environment will lead to global warming should have caused sufficient changes that it did not happen.
Now you add this in with Murphy's law and the corollary that Murphy was an optimist and you have a perfect storm of an accident waiting to happen.
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Postby Jason and Amanda » Wed May 12, 2010 1:08 pm

I just gotta chime in real quick.

SlowCowboy... What?

Ok... So the reason trailer brakes are such a hot topic here is because the majority of people tow with vehicles that aren't "rated" (by the manufacturer) to tow with towing packages or whatever.

We all know that any vehicle is capable of towing with the proper safety procedures in place. Just keep it smart, if your vehicles is small, well obviously it can't tow alot, and the trailer needs brakes.

If you have a Silverado/F-150 or similar vehicle then obviously you can tow more weight, and have the ability to choose whether or not a trailer under 1500 lbs needs brakes.

I agree with the OP, and believe everyone needs to take responsiblity for their own equipment, for their own safety and the safety of others.
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Postby jss06 » Wed May 12, 2010 1:45 pm

Jason and Amanda wrote:believe everyone needs to take responsiblity.


I think that fits better.
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Postby postalbear51 » Wed May 12, 2010 2:23 pm

If you do get a HF trailer where can you get brakes for it and do you have to replace the hubs only or the whole axle and hubs?
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