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Fine line between creative and crazy?

Postby swissarmygirl » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:18 pm

I figured we could all appreciate this, knowing how many "outside the box" thinkers we have here. I didn't really need a scientific study to tell me this though. ;)

Creative Mind Mimics Schizophrenia
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Postby caseydog » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:45 pm

Me no see no article. :thinking:

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Postby swissarmygirl » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:53 pm

caseydog wrote:Me no see no article. :thinking:

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That's cuz you craaaazzzy......


It took a minute to come up actually.
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Postby swissarmygirl » Thu Jun 03, 2010 3:57 pm

Here's the entire article:

Its True - Creative minds 'mimic schizophrenia - BBC News'
Thursday, June 3, 2010 at 09:34PM

Artist Salvador Dali is known for his surreal paintings and eccentric personality.


Creativity is akin to insanity, say scientists who have been studying how the mind works.

Brain scans reveal striking similarities in the thought pathways of highly creative people and those with schizophrenia.

Both groups lack important receptors used to filter and direct thought.

It could be this uninhibited processing that allows creative people to "think outside the box", say experts from Sweden's Karolinska Institute.

In some people, it leads to mental illness.

But rather than a clear division, experts suspect a continuum, with some people having psychotic traits but few negative symptoms.

Art and suffering


Some of the world's leading artists, writers and theorists have also had mental illnesses - the Dutch painter Vincent van Gogh and American mathematician John Nash (portrayed by Russell Crowe in the film A Beautiful Mind) to name just two.

Creativity is known to be associated with an increased risk of depression, schizophrenia and bipolar disorder.

The thalamus channels thoughts
Similarly, people who have mental illness in their family have a higher chance of being creative.

Associate Professor Fredrik Ullen believes his findings could help explain why.

He looked at the brain's dopamine (D2) receptor genes which experts believe govern divergent thought.

He found highly creative people who did well on tests of divergent thought had a lower than expected density of D2 receptors in the thalamus - as do people with schizophrenia.

The thalamus serves as a relay centre, filtering information before it reaches areas of the cortex, which is responsible, amongst other things, for cognition and reasoning.

"Fewer D2 receptors in the thalamus probably means a lower degree of signal filtering, and thus a higher flow of information from the thalamus," said Professor Ullen.

Creative people, like those with psychotic illnesses, tend to see the world differently to most. It's like looking at a shattered mirror

Mark Millard UK psychologist believes it is this barrage of uncensored information that ignites the creative spark.


This would explain how highly creative people manage to see unusual connections in problem-solving situations that other people miss.

Schizophrenics share this same ability to make novel associations. But in schizophrenia, it results in bizarre and disturbing thoughts.

UK psychologist and member of the British Psychological Society Mark Millard said the overlap with mental illness might explain the motivation and determination creative people share.

"Creativity is uncomfortable. It is their dissatisfaction with the present that drives them on to make changes.

"Creative people, like those with psychotic illnesses, tend to see the world differently to most. It's like looking at a shattered mirror. They see the world in a fractured way.

"There is no sense of conventional limitations and you can see this in their work. Take Salvador Dali, for example. He certainly saw the world differently and behaved in a way that some people perceived as very odd."

'TROUBLED' GENIUSES

â– Writer Virginia Woolf
â– Painter Vincent van Gogh
â– Painter Salvador Dali
â– Painter Edvard Munch
â– Composer Robert Schumann
â– Mathematician John Nash
â– Pianist David Helfgott
He said businesses have already recognised and capitalised on this knowledge.

Some companies have "skunk works" - secure, secret laboratories for their highly creative staff where they can freely experiment without disrupting the daily business.

Chartered psychologist Gary Fitzgibbon says an ability to "suspend disbelief" is one way of looking at creativity.

"When you suspend disbelief you are prepared to believe anything and this opens up the scope for seeing more possibilities.

"Creativity is certainly about not being constrained by rules or accepting the restrictions that society places on us. Of course the more people break the rules, the more likely they are to be perceived as 'mentally ill'."

He works as an executive coach helping people to be more creative in their problem solving behaviour and thinking styles.

"The result is typically a significant rise in their well being, so as opposed to creativity being associated with mental illness it becomes associated with good mental health."

By Michelle Roberts Health reporter, BBC News
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
"The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift." - Albert Einstein

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Postby Fenlason » Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:24 pm

Nice.. thanks... :thumbsup:

It makes Dali's quote even more interesting

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Postby Shadow Catcher » Thu Jun 03, 2010 5:44 pm

Many of the most creative are in various diagnosable conditions or express it in the recessive. i.e. the autism spectrum (mostly aspergers) contains many individuals that are engineers, artists, computer geeks, pilots... looking back through history it is clear that many musicians were bipolar and extremely creative during the manic phase. I could go on and on and but that would be expressing my aspergers :D
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Postby caseydog » Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:44 pm

swissarmygirl wrote:
caseydog wrote:Me no see no article. :thinking:

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That's cuz you craaaazzzy......


Oh yeah, that's not what the voices say. :x

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Postby len19070 » Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:13 pm

I come up with and do so many goofy projects that people are always asking me "how did you ever come up with that idea"

And my response would always be, "I did a lot of acid in the 60's".

Now I can tell them I'm a Genius.

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Postby teardrop_focus » Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:47 pm

I come up with and do so many goofy projects that people are always asking me "how did you ever come up with that idea"

And my response would always be, "I did a lot of acid in the 60's".

Now I can tell them I'm a Genius.


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Interesting article. Thanks for posting it!

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Postby Juneaudave » Thu Jun 03, 2010 11:19 pm

We think the linkage to schzophrenia is crazy talk... :shock:
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Postby Fenlason » Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:57 am

Juneaudave wrote:We think the linkage to schzophrenia is crazy talk... :shock:


Well in some cases.... :FNP :FNP :FNP :FNP :roll: :roll:
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Postby caseydog » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:45 am

Mark Millard UK psychologist believes it is this barrage of uncensored information that ignites the creative spark.


I can identify with this. I majored in Art in college, and work as an art director and photographer, and yes, I do benefit (and suffer) from this "barrage of uncensored information." It really can be both a blessing and a curse.

I'm far from being a "creative genius," but some have suspected I suffer from mental illness. :lol:

Now, excuse me, I need to get back to cleaning the guns.

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Postby swissarmygirl » Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:58 am

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Mark Millard UK psychologist believes it is this barrage of uncensored information that ignites the creative spark.


I can identify with this. I majored in Art in college, and work as an art director and photographer, and yes, I do benefit (and suffer) from this "barrage of uncensored information." It really can be both a blessing and a curse.

I'm far from being a "creative genius," but some have suspected I suffer from mental illness. :lol:

Now, excuse me, I need to get back to cleaning the guns.

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So true. It can be extremely frustrating because if you aren't suffering from lack of inspiration, you are so overloaded with it that it is difficult to manage.
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Postby Aaron Coffee » Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:16 pm

So how does one know if they are artistic or schizophrenic?
If I could shut my brain off, I could save myself alot of time, money and effort.
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Postby swissarmygirl » Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:52 am

Aaron Coffee wrote:So how does one know if they are artistic or schizophrenic?


I'm still trying to figure it out myself. :thinking: :?
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