Gulf coast

[madjack]

...one last thought to add to my little rant...we have dealt with the NIMBY situation for years and it will probably always be with us, but the folks in New England, the Carolina's, Florida and the West Coast don't want oil wells off their coasts...well fine but do something...at least allow wind farms...but nooooooooo, they might kill a seagull or mess up someones "vista"...nuff said.............
madjack

[Billy K]

madjack - you have hit the nail on the head!!

Let locals have control and benefit from their effort. The risk and reward is theirs. Their livelihood is what should drive the choices made.
The dangers are, and benefits should be; reaped by them.
If a State has a resource: that State and it's residents should be in charge. Royalties from oil, wind, coal, solar, hydro, and yes, even atomic energy should first and largely stay in that State.

Seems to me, the NIMBY mentality is: not here,you won't; AND we'll tell you how to do it there, too! .. but, if you do; you have to share the benefits... cause it ain't fair that you get more than we do....



Thanks for the video MJ. Always like to see how it's done.

[dakotamouse]

...one last thought to add to my little rant...we have dealt with the NIMBY situation for years and it will probably always be with us, but the folks in New England, the Carolina's, Florida and the West Coast don't want oil wells off their coasts...well fine but do something...at least allow wind farms...but nooooooooo, they might kill a seagull or mess up someones "vista"...nuff said.............
madjack

Ain't that the truth! I hear these people sqwaking that it will spoil their view........yet they want the energy. We have lots of wind turbines going up in N.D. Once they have been erected, they have landscaping done beneath them and farming continues as it used to. No protest.Out of staters are happy we are sending them the energy and it isn't in their backyard. I don't mind the generators, I think they are being managed well, but I do take offense to the mentality that we are just fly over country anyway.....nothing and nobody out there so who cares.

[caseydog]

Well, I was sitting in a waiting room this morning, and there was a big TV showing the Congressional session with the CEO of BP, and could not believe my ears when Congressman Joe Barton (Texas) APOLOGIZED to the BP CEO for the way the President "shook him down" for the 20 billion dollar fund to be set up to cover the damages from the spill.

Quote: "I'm ashamed of what happened in the White House yesterday," Barton said. "I apologize. I do not want to live in a country where any time a citizen or corporation does anything wrong," they are subjected to such political pressure.

Man, he's either on the BP payroll, or really out of touch.

He suggested that the President should go to jail for coercing BP to put aside that money.

Now, I've seen everything.


CD

EDIT: (Barton has received more than $1.5 million in campaign donations from the oil industry, according to Open Secrets, a nonpartisan watchdog group.)

[madjack]

Well, I was sitting in a waiting room this morning, and there was a big TV showing the Congressional session with the CEO of BP, and could not believe my ears when Congressman Joe Barton (Texas) APOLOGIZED to the BP CEO for the way the President "shook him down" for the 20 billion dollar fund to be set up to cover the damages from the spill.

Quote: "I'm ashamed of what happened in the White House yesterday," Barton said. "I apologize. I do not want to live in a country where any time a citizen or corporation does anything wrong," they are subjected to such political pressure.

Man, he's either on the BP payroll, or really out of touch.

He suggested that the President should go to jail for coercing BP to put aside that money.

Now, I've seen everything.


CD

EDIT: (Barton has received more than $1.5 million in campaign donations from the oil industry, according to Open Secrets, a nonpartisan watchdog group.)

Barton is now doing the two step crawfish boogie...not only being condemned for his statements by Democrats but Republicans as well, with some REPUBLICANS calling for him to step down from his committee leadership role..............
madjack

[caseydog]

Well, I was sitting in a waiting room this morning, and there was a big TV showing the Congressional session with the CEO of BP, and could not believe my ears when Congressman Joe Barton (Texas) APOLOGIZED to the BP CEO for the way the President "shook him down" for the 20 billion dollar fund to be set up to cover the damages from the spill.

Quote: "I'm ashamed of what happened in the White House yesterday," Barton said. "I apologize. I do not want to live in a country where any time a citizen or corporation does anything wrong," they are subjected to such political pressure.

Man, he's either on the BP payroll, or really out of touch.

He suggested that the President should go to jail for coercing BP to put aside that money.

Now, I've seen everything.


CD

EDIT: (Barton has received more than $1.5 million in campaign donations from the oil industry, according to Open Secrets, a nonpartisan watchdog group.)

Barton is now doing the two step crawfish boogie...not only being condemned for his statements by Democrats but Republicans as well, with some REPUBLICANS calling for him to step down from his committee leadership role..............
madjack

Yeah, I heard he's been apologizing for apologizing. Or something. He needs to plug the leak just below his nose.

I'd expect this kind of thing from an Okie congressman, but Texas?

CD

[Billy K]

I'll get blasted for this; but...here goes...

BP should be putting up the money; they are the the beneficiary of the good; therefore have the responsibility for the bad!!

BUT; For a sitting President to publicly "twist the arm" of any private entity and demand payment, is unsightly and beneath the Office.

I've put in my two cents enough on this thread that you should know where I stand. That is; With the folks along the shores of the Gulf!!

For the government in D.C. to have passed a law saying 'It' would have the skimmers,booms etc.... AND then turn down the help offered...And then demand - publicly - retribution and acountability from those who are following the rulings and requirements (since the spill) is IMO a continuation of the thuggery this administration uses against "It's" political foes.

I'll say it again: I stand with and feel for the losses and people of the Coast.

I'd rather that this was handled with the local Officials and People that are affected. The Feds are in the way and are not helping.

[caseydog]

And, I'll probably get blasted for this.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Some people say he's not doing enough, others say he's doing too much -- and others say both things at the same time.

The criticism from the first group is coming from the Left -- they want public hangings of BP executives. The criticism from the second two groups is generally from people who would criticize him if he single-handedly cured cancer. They would gather over tea, and complain about the tax dollars spent on a cure for cancer, while demanding to see his birth certificate.

But, that's politics. It is what it is.

BTW, as a small businessman, I am darned glad to see that 20 million go into escrow. I seldom look for work from big corporations anymore -- they just don't pay little guys like me. I have to submit invoices over and over again, and place call after call to Accounts Payable until I either give up, or they decide I've been a big enough PITA, and cut me a check, six months or more after I send the first invoice. They know I'm not going to sue them -- their legal departments would laugh at my tiny, pathetic lawsuit.

Okay, time to suit up. Where did I put my Nomex underwear?


CD

[Billy K]

CD, you are one of the reasons I like this sight; and the sort of folk who make TDs; Fun.

MJ seems to be closest and has the most cause to speak. There may be others and I apologize to them if I missed their locale. I want to hear from them and their leadership.

A good back and forth is what this world should be about. A little different here, a little similar there. It's all good.

[Fenlason]

...one last thought to add to my little rant...we have dealt with the NIMBY situation for years and it will probably always be with us, but the folks in New England, the Carolina's, Florida and the West Coast don't want oil wells off their coasts...well fine but do something...at least allow wind farms...but nooooooooo, they might kill a seagull or mess up someones "vista"...nuff said.............
madjack

I won't speak on what is going on in the gulf. I am far from it, and don't know enough to add anything that has not been said.

I personally think oil is to in-expensive. I think we use / waste to much of it. Some of you know I am and have been working to reduce my use of it.

I do have to comment on this post of Madjack's

I am from Maine.. a New England State. We have 5 wind farms now in operation.

Mars Hill has 28 Turbines
Kibby Mountain 44
Stetson has 38
Beaver Ridge 3
Fox Islands 3

The Stetson farm has an expansion of an additional 17 turbines currently under construction.

There are 4 other farms proposed in other areas not including the off shore project.

http://freepressonline.com/main.asp?Sec ... cleID=7131

[caseydog]

I do have to comment on this post of Madjack's

I am from Maine.. a New England State. We have 5 wind farms now in operation.

Mars Hill has 28 Turbines
Kibby Mountain 44
Stetson has 38
Beaver Ridge 3
Fox Islands 3

That's a total of 116 wind turbines. Pardon me if I'm not impressed. That's the same as one of our smallest single wind farms here in Texas.

We have 2,439 wind turbines in Texas, producing 9,410 MW of Clean electricity. That's more than any other state in the USA.

The Roscoe wind farm in the panhandle is the largest in the world, with more than 670 turbines.

I do agree with MJ that States that don't allow oil exploration, and don't want wind turbines either need to shut up. Those states can't just keep on taking and taking. They need to give some, too.

CD

[Fenlason]

I do have to comment on this post of Madjack's

I am from Maine.. a New England State. We have 5 wind farms now in operation.

Mars Hill has 28 Turbines
Kibby Mountain 44
Stetson has 38
Beaver Ridge 3
Fox Islands 3

That's a total of 116 wind turbines. Pardon me if I'm not impressed. That's the same as one of our smallest single wind farms here in Texas.

We have 2,439 wind turbines in Texas, producing 9,410 MW of Clean electricity. That's more than any other state in the USA.

The Roscoe wind farm in the panhandle is the largest in the world, with more than 670 turbines.

I do agree with MJ that States that don't allow oil exploration, and don't want wind turbines either need to shut up. Those states can't just keep on taking and taking. They need to give some, too.

CD

did you read the link.. ?

[Fenlason]

I do have to comment on this post of Madjack's

I am from Maine.. a New England State. We have 5 wind farms now in operation.

Mars Hill has 28 Turbines
Kibby Mountain 44
Stetson has 38
Beaver Ridge 3
Fox Islands 3

That's a total of 116 wind turbines. Pardon me if I'm not impressed. That's the same as one of our smallest single wind farms here in Texas.

We have 2,439 wind turbines in Texas, producing 9,410 MW of Clean electricity. That's more than any other state in the USA.

The Roscoe wind farm in the panhandle is the largest in the world, with more than 670 turbines.

I do agree with MJ that States that don't allow oil exploration, and don't want wind turbines either need to shut up. Those states can't just keep on taking and taking. They need to give some, too.

CD

did you read the link.. ?

I was not trying to compare to what anyone else has for turbines.. just trying to show what MJ was saying was not true. 116 is a few more than NONE.

As oil is drilled where it is economical to do so, the same goes for wind turbines.

What is the size of Texas compared to Maine, and the population.

[caseydog]

Maine may very well not be a good place for wind turbines. I don't know.

But braging about Maine's 115 wind turbines is no way to counter MadJacks NIMBY comments.

I think what MJ was talking about was States like Massachusetts that won't allow wind turbines off of Cape Cod, because they think it will spoil their view. Florida, a diehard red state, doesn't want their tourists to see any oil wells while watching the sun set over the Gulf. Boohoo.

The Texas coast is dotted with offshore oil wells. It has the most polluted air in the nation, thanks to the abundant refineries (and former Governor Bush). Texas pays a big price for satisfying Americas addition to cheap energy. And now, Texas leads the WORLD in wind power.

Louisiana pays a big price for America's cheap energy addiction, too. Louisiana is going to take the biggest hit from this BP spill.

Cancer does not run in my family, but yet I got it. I lived in Port Arthur for six years, where the town mottos was, "We Oil the World." Are they connected? I have no idea, but I am NOT moving back there. When you drive into a town, and it smells like the fertilizer section of Home Depot, I can't imagine it being a good thing.

NIMBY. That was MadJack's gripe. And he's right. States that use more than they produce need to be thankful for the states that produce more than they use -- and pay a heavy price for it.

CD

[Fenlason]

Maine may very well not be a good place for wind turbines. I don't know.

But braging about Maine's 115 wind turbines is no way to counter MadJacks NIMBY comments.

I think what MJ was talking about was States like Massachusetts that won't allow wind turbines off of Cape Cod, because they think it will spoil their view. Florida, a diehard red state, doesn't want their tourists to see any oil wells while watching the sun set over the Gulf. Boohoo.

The Texas coast is dotted with offshore oil wells. It has the most polluted air in the nation, thanks to the abundant refineries. Texas pay the biggest price for satisfying Americas addition to cheap energy. And now, Texas lead the WORLD in wind power.

Louisiana pays a big price for America's cheap energy addiction, too. Louisiana is going to take the biggest hit from this BP spill.

Cancer does not run in my family, but yet I got it. I lived in Port Arthur for six years, where the town mottos was, "We Oil the World." Are they connected? I have no idea, but I am NOT moving back there. When you drive into a town, and it smells like the fertilizer section of Home Depot, I can't imagine it being a good thing.

NIMBY. That was MadJack's gripe. And he's right. States that use more than they produce need to be thankful for the states that produce more than they use -- and pay a heavy price for it.

CD

I was not bragging.. I was merely sharing the facts of what we are doing...nothing more.. nothing less.