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Postby Billy K » Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:28 pm

I got your point , you missed mine.

I'll go backwards....

3) My employment was not a safety arguement. My statement was meant to reinforce the fact; that I support minimizing fuel consumption. To the point, it would even cost me my job. If, everything were done, exactly in the most "green "way.

2) Not a political cheap shot. I did not mention a sitting anyone. The bureaucracy goes on no matter who it is, fills the seats. And the question remains, why is anyone paying for them to do what is so dangerous.
The mere mention of the name of someone who is so deeply entwined with the ideals of bigger, stronger government does not change the question.

...EX-IM is the official credit agency of the U.S. .....

1) The easy oil available, by regulation, to be drilled for ....OK, maybe so. You are closer to that than most.

I do not take any of this so lightly as to take cheap shots. Friends of family are being hurt. People are being shoved aside , in what comes over the air waves as cheap political theater.

No, I will not play the red vs blue, cops and robbers game; Both sides of the heirarchy are at fault. The only side I take is those who stand against big, far away, and in the middle of everything government.

I'll say it this way, I think that on most things..
It depends on which cover of the magazine you look at first. It's either an advertisement for something .... or a really pretty face .

Same magazine, same content; different facade.
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Postby caseydog » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:24 pm

Not mine. :thinking: 8) :lol:

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Postby Billy K » Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:00 pm

Nor mine... :shock: :D

Headed back down the road...play nice and enjoy ...
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Postby dakotamouse » Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:56 pm

Kevin A wrote:
madjack wrote:...mah tungd id bweedin...bahdly.............................................................. 8)


Mine is too, Jack. Mine is too!!!!!! :noyes: :lol:


I must be really tired..............it took me a long time to get the last two posts. :?
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Postby Fenlason » Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:33 pm

I came across this sort of by accident
I have no idea if any of it is true...I find it disturbing if it is so.

windcatcher says:
June 19, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Gulf Oil Flow-Supertankers Clean Up-596 million gallons!
Two months after the Gulf oil well disaster the wellhead oil flow and oil spill remain out of control with no positive action planned to control and suck up the oil at sea before it makes landfall 48 miles away or inters the international Gulf Stream!
That condition is not acceptable! People in charge need to go!
President Obama, Fire BP and appoint proven environmental disaster expert and engineer Nick Pozzi and oil expert and former (Dutch) Shell Oil president John Hofmeister to be in charge of a independent “Stop the Gulf Oil Flow & Clean Up Task Forceâ€
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Postby caseydog » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:53 pm

Here is a funny, and enlightening Daily Show segment on oil dependence...

http://vodpod.com/watch/3849163-an-ener ... ent-future


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Postby Fenlason » Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:12 pm

caseydog wrote:Here is a funny, and enlightening Daily Show segment on oil dependence...

http://vodpod.com/watch/3849163-an-ener ... ent-future


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I am with you.. I am not sure whether to laugh for cry.
thanks for sharing.
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Postby madjack » Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:16 pm

...if it weren't so sad and so true, it would be high-larry-us :( :x :cry: ..................................... 8)
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Postby madjack » Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:50 pm

Glenn, in regards to the super-tankers and the Saudi spill Vs the Gulf gusher...it would not work the same...I can't find the article now BUT it went something like this...the oil in Saudi was heavier VS the extremely light sweet Gulf crude and it was essentially dumped on the surface Vs at 5000' down...it was not sprayed with a million gallons of dispersant so it stayed clumped together on the surface allowing it to be sucked up by the tankers...

...the Gulf oil, coming out at 5000' of depth has been "processed" before it reaches the surface by the depth and pressure and started to break up before it reached the surface(that orange looking stuff you see)...when it reached the surface, it was already spread over a huge area with much of it spread below the surface at varying depths(the infamous plumes)......

...add to this, the unprecedented use of dispersants, which further exaggerated this situation and the super-tankers would not have been able to get anywhere near the level of containment they achieved in the Persian Gulf...

UNPRECEDENTED is the key word in all of this and no one has/had any idea of what to do...no one, not BP not the Govt nor anyone else had a handle on the amount oil coming up for several days after the initial explosion/fire...heck, they are still arguing over the exact amount coming out...

...do the Dutch/Flems have a tech that will work...would the tankers work...will anything work...I dunno, I do know enough about oil and business to know, if there is an "easy" and/or "simplistic" way to fix this, BP and the Govt would be all over it like stink on shi....errrr the Gulf...I just hope they can stop the gusher and not havvta wait until the oil pressure and the water pressure equal out...let us hope/pray Ma Nature doesn't send a hurricane raging thru the Gulf and the relief wells work to shut off the flow................
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Postby Fenlason » Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:04 pm

madjack wrote:Glenn, in regards to the super-tankers and the Saudi spill Vs the Gulf gusher...it would not work the same...I can't find the article now BUT it went something like this...the oil in Saudi was heavier VS the extremely light sweet Gulf crude and it was essentially dumped on the surface Vs at 5000' down...it was not sprayed with a million gallons of dispersant so it stayed clumped together on the surface allowing it to be sucked up by the tankers...

...the Gulf oil, coming out at 5000' of depth has been "processed" before it reaches the surface by the depth and pressure and started to break up before it reached the surface(that orange looking stuff you see)...when it reached the surface, it was already spread over a huge area with much of it spread below the surface at varying depths(the infamous plumes)......

...add to this, the unprecedented use of dispersants, which further exaggerated this situation and the super-tankers would not have been able to get anywhere near the level of containment they achieved in the Persian Gulf...

UNPRECEDENTED is the key word in all of this and no one has/had any idea of what to do...no one, not BP not the Govt nor anyone else had a handle on the amount oil coming up for several days after the initial explosion/fire...heck, they are still arguing over the exact amount coming out...

...do the Dutch/Flems have a tech that will work...would the tankers work...will anything work...I dunno, I do know enough about oil and business to know, if there is an "easy" and/or "simplistic" way to fix this, BP and the Govt would be all over it like stink on shi....errrr the Gulf...I just hope they can stop the gusher and not havvta wait until the oil pressure and the water pressure equal out...let us hope/pray Ma Nature doesn't send a hurricane raging thru the Gulf and the relief wells work to shut off the flow................
madjack 8)


Thank you..

this is why I posted.. so that those of you in the know could comment. :worship:
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Postby madjack » Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:31 pm

Glenn, I not sure how much "in the know" I am, having never worked on the rigs...I have tried hard to keep a pragmatic view of things and have read all I could, ranging from pie in the sky to the the sky is falling and viewing that with what I actually do know about the industry and business...I have an Uncle who has worked all over the world for Haliburton for the last 35yrs, starting as a "downhole" specialist, these are the people who fix messed up well bores...like this one, I have several friends who are drillers, who are the floor bosses on a rig, a couple who are tool pushers, which is the next step up from the driller and others who are derrick men, crane operators, roughnecks and roustabouts...we can only hope for the best....................
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Postby caseydog » Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:44 pm

madjack wrote:Glenn, I not sure how much "in the know" I am, having never worked on the rigs...I have tried hard to keep a pragmatic view of things and have read all I could, ranging from pie in the sky to the the sky is falling and viewing that with what I actually do know about the industry and business...I have an Uncle who has worked all over the world for Haliburton for the last 35yrs, starting as a "downhole" specialist, these are the people who fix messed up well bores...like this one, I have several friends who are drillers, who are the floor bosses on a rig, a couple who are tool pushers, which is the next step up from the driller and others who are derrick men, crane operators, roughnecks and roustabouts...we can only hope for the best....................
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Glenn, look at it this way, you don't have to be a fisherman to know about fishing, if you live in a fishing town.

Likewise, if you live in oil country, like Texas and Louisiana like me and MJ, and like I did, in Port Arthur, you just can't help but learn a thing or two about the industry. And, if your dad is married to the industry to the extent that his wife is quite possibly the "other woman," you really can't help it. :lol:

MJ isn't an oilman, and either am I, but it's like Maine and lobsters -- it's part of the territory.

People hear about oil refinery explosions. I can tell you what they feel like when you are sitting at home watching TV, and the explosion happens. It feels like a tree falling on your house. You jump out of your chair. You instantly know what it is, and hope nobody is dead.

That's probably why I hear some of the crap I hear on the news, and read in forums, and get vocal. People look at this spill, and don't know anything about oil, and want to use it to back up their imbedded ideologies.

If you are a treehugger, it backs up your ideology that oil is evil. If you are a teabagger, it backs up your ideology that government is evil. I personally don't have time for treehuggers or teabaggers. They re two sides of the same ignorant coin.

If a person is not sure what to think of this oil spill, I would suggest they take an afternoon and start googling, and reading, and then take some time to think. But, to do that, you have to suspend your ideologies, and for some people, that is just not an option.

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Postby madjack » Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:46 am

I've known about natural seepage for years...both on and off shore...google "natural oil seepage gulf of mexico" and do some truly surprising(and possibly shocking) reading....
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Postby Fenlason » Tue Jun 22, 2010 5:17 am

you mean the government isn't evil.. :thinking: ;)
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Postby caseydog » Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:21 am

Fenlason wrote:you mean the government isn't evil.. :thinking: ;)


No, no, no. Oil is evil. :x

Now, excuse me, my trees need a good hug. :)


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