Gulf coast

[Mary K]

Pensacola Beach, This is my back yard folks.

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This isn't just a one time deal. It washes up, they clean it up. It washes up, they clean it up. It washes up, they clean it up....etc ad nauseam.... It will go on for years I bet.

And this is easy clean up here on the beach. The marshlands in LA ya cant just go scooping up with a shovel.

This is why Florida never allowed off shore drilling.

BP!!! PLUG THE DAMN HOLE!!! :x

end rant

[caseydog]

In a related story, Fort Worth Texas and surrounding counties are sitting on a huge natural gas reserve, but it is trapped in shale, so it requires fracking to get the gas out of the ground. Basically, they pump water and chemicals into the shale to fracture the shale, releasing the gas. But, that can also push gas into ground water used by homes in the area.

Here is an interesting video of what can happen when you depend on well water near natural gas exploration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwogQWLEqW8&NR=1



This fracking for gas has boomed (pardon the pun) in the last ten years, and like deep water drilling, we are slowly finding that there are side effects nobody really planned for. So, just as nobody was prepared for the BP Spill, it seems nobody was quite prepared for the side effects of fracking.

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/613/index.html

I'm all for oil and gas exploration, but it seems pretty obvious to me that we need to do a lot more homework on these newer practices, like deep water drilling and fracking before we dive in head first.

"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread."

CD

[Mary K]

Yea, I saw a interview with the Gasland filmmaker on Jon Stewart the other day.

Its all about the almighty Dollar......

Ya know Im so discussed...I don't want to talk about it....

[caseydog]

Ya know Im so discussed...I don't want to talk about it....

Hmmm, I thought we were discussing oil and gas.



CD

[caseydog]

"I'd like the talk to that robot that knocked off the cap at the bottom of the Gulf yesterday. What was that robot thinking?"

Brian Kilmeade, Fox News


Yes, that is really what he said.

CD

[tonyj]

"I'd like the talk to that robot that knocked off the cap at the bottom of the Gulf yesterday. What was that robot thinking?"

Brian Kilmeade, Fox News


Yes, that is really what he said.

CD

The robot was thinking, "Friday night I'm gonna go get 10010011000113'd up!"

[caseydog]

This is why Florida never allowed off shore drilling.

But MaryK, look at the wonderful sunsets Florida tourists are missing.



(a big reason Florida doesn't allow offshore drilling is the tourist industry)

CD

[doitright]

It is here the scamming I just got a email from a place in Carson City Nevada. They said that I can get money from B P also. Now how is that I am sure that they want me to send them money but I will not open it.
doitright

[Billy K]

OK, I've parked the truck for a day or two;
aside from wanting to see that thread of Glenn's 'digs'...
and being associated with a British drink....did I miss much..??



Now that the Whale has passed EPA standards and the foreingers are finally going to be allowed to help...Oh, and there's a hurricane in the west of the Gulf...I think that's where we are...

I don't think government is Evil; just incompetent. Corporations are not Evil, either; they are trying to keep their profit margins up, in order that our 401k's might grow!!

There's lots out there to learn about fracking,oil sands, shale oil deposits, wind efficiencies, ethanol manufacturing costs.....

Glenn is the best example I can give (sorry and forgive me).
It doesn't take guv'ment mandates to get things going in the right direction. It requires meaningful thought and willingness to save a buck or get a thing done.

This has been my point all along; the government rules and regs are in the way. They say cigarettes are bad; then, rather than make them illegal, it taxes them to fund children's health care!?!
Guv'ment says gambling is bad but, starts a lottery to pay for education. You get the point...

I've chosen a side to discuss from; hoping to cause more thought rather than less...

[caseydog]

This has been my point all along; the government rules and regs are in the way. .

Yep, without guv'ment regs, we could compete with China, by using child labor and allowing sweatshops to prosper in a true free-market system.

It was obviously guv'ment regs that caused BP to cut corners and cause a spill, and then lie about the spill.

It was obviously guv'ment regs that made wall street billionaires gamble with our bank deposits.

Without guv'ment regs, I could get a darn good job where I could possibly die in an unsafe factory, but on the positive side, I could live in an unsafe home off the sixty hours of work I did every week, for forty hours of pay.

And yes, the guv'ment is surely incompetent. Last year, I mailed hundreds of letters for 48 cents each, and one of them got to the recipient a day late. Unacceptable. It took me three whole weeks to get my tax refund. Sure, my private sector customers took six months to pay me, but I'm sure guv'ment regs were behind that. It could not possibly be greed.

You betcha, if there is something wrong, it's gotta be guv'ment's fault. Even f it isn't, it is. Everyone knows that.

Well, that's enough thinking for one day. Time to turn on FOX News, drink some grape koolaid, and get some sleep -- I have a tea party to go to in the morning.

CD

[martha24]

From my vantage point the government bureaucracy hasn't exactly helped streamline the oil clean up, not to say their goal was to hamper the cleanup. From the news stories I have seen they have been creating a variety of roadblocks for the locals who are trying their best to protect and clean their coasts.

If locals have a different vantage point of how the government bureaucracy has effected clean up, I would be happy to hear it.

[Billy K]

CD, sometimes I worry for you comrade...

We have all seen examples of where the rules and regs have hindered the clean up. More could have been done, earlier; that is about to be started, finally.

Martha is on track. Let's hear what the folks of the Gulf Coast are saying about Big guv'ment. Here's an excerpt of what one of them has to say to the AP..........

By HOLBROOK MOHR • Associated Press Writer • July 1, 2010

BELLE CHASSE, La. — Billy Nungesser, a rotund and feisty millionaire-turned-politician from Louisiana’s bayou, hasn’t been afraid of taking on everyone from big oil to big government since crude started washing up on his coast.


The blunt-spoken president of oil-soaked Plaquemines Parish has been the voice of thousands of coastal residents, his sometimes unpolished demeanor capturing their angst. His voice has often echoed across the Gulf louder than bigger power players — Gov. Bobby Jindal, Sen. Mary Landrieu and Sen. David Vitter among them.

When the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration missed the mark predicting where oil from the massive Gulf of Mexico spill would go, he didn’t hide his anger. The agency “should know when a snail farts with all the crap they have in Washington,â€

[eamarquardt]

Pensacola Beach, This is my back yard folks.

I've been to the beach in Pensacola. It was beautiful, sunny, had warmer water than here in So. Cal., and was DESERTED!

Suzy and I got out of the car, dropped our towels, and had a great time frolicking in the water. When we exited the water THEY ATTACKED with gusto! They being the sand fleas, flies, or whatever the heck they were. We ran to the car and got outta there as fast as we could and were covered in bites when we got home. I'll stick to enjoying Pensacola Beach via photographs and put up with 65F water rather than the bugs!

Looks like a mess. BP should be held accountable but the 20 Billion Obama demanded up front was extortion in my eyes. We are a nation of "due process" not extortionists. Obama should have ensured that "due process" was facilitated rather than demanding money.

I've been in So. Cal. virtually all my life. Surfed, scuba dived starting in my teens, and sailed the Santa Barbara Channel every chance I got for the ten years I had a boat. Occasionally a bit of tar on my feet but no big deal. Sometimes there were a few specs on the hull of the boat but again, no big deal. Perhaps there are specific spots were it's worse but some reports seem exagerated to me. We've yet to have a major spill and it will be a shame when it happens and, like the gulf spill, it will probably be entirely preventable.

No one has mentioned that a lot of folks are complaining that they can't document their incomes for a claim with BP due to the fact that they worked with cash, never reported the cash income, didn't pay their income taxes, and are now suffering as a result. I think Obama should take heart and provide them accomodations equal to those provided Al Capone for similar behavior. Unfortunantely Club Fed, Alcatraz is closed for renovations.

Hope it gets better soon.

Gus

[GPW]

Around here , BP is a four letter word !!!! On bad days when the wind is right , we can smell the Oil , and we're 80 miles from the mouth of the river... Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!

[caseydog]

CD, sometimes I worry for you comrade...

I'm caught in the middle of a crossfire in a war of extremes. You jokingly call me "comrade" but too often, the loudest extremist voices say that are either a "real American," who thinks like they do, or you are a "Socialist."

There's plenty wrong in government, but I just hate to see anti-govment ideology block sound reasoning. In spite of what a minority on the right say, regulations have done a lot of good in America -- I'd say a lot more good than bad.

Anyway, it's certainly fair to criticize our government, but to blame government regulations for an oil spill caused by private companies, who are ultimately responsible for this mess, it just not reasonable or rational.

CD