WORK ETHIC

[bobhenry]

God bless George T ( Who ever he is )

This is a rebuttal to a news report of the finding of a mass grave of 57 Irish railroad workers seemingly murdered in 1832.

I am not a frantic flag waver of a political type. Hell I have never voted in my 6 decades. But if this guy ran I just might have to.....

God Bless ya George T. who and where ever you are

[color=darkblue][b]Everyone that came to our country had to work hard unless they came with a boat load of money from the old country. So we all need to get a grip on the poor me crap. I am an American I have blood lines tying back to all over Europe and maybe other places I never even knew about, so what?
When did our country lose its work ethic? Trace it back and find out.
The “greatest generationâ€

[len19070]

This Post has nothing to do with Race, Religion or Politics!

A report was just issued stating that the US has fallen from the #1 to #12 nation in the world with the most College Graduates.

And the question was asked "How could this happen?"

Well 19 year old mothers with 4 & 5 Children to 4 & 5 different Fathers.

Un married men in there early 20's with 7 & 8 Children.

People sneaking into the country to have children so they will be US Citizens and reap the Benefits as such Might be a reason???

The system is grossly over burdened.

I have 2 children. One a College Grad with a Masters who is gainfully employed and another who is now in College who I expect the same from.

Both I, my wife and my children have done our Part.

Unfortunately my kids, and I are forced to carry the scores of people who have NOT done there Part.

I would love to see a statistic in today's America on exactly How many "Cronic" Unemployed people...that is people who could work but choose not to because of "Hand outs" with no sense of ambition or goals 1 productive person in America has to support.

Not hard working people who have lost there jobs, just the real "Dead Beats".

Happy Trails

Len

[hiker chick]

This discussion will surely get animated. Anyone care to wager on it being locked before the end of the day? (shouldn't this at least be in the "Off Topic" section?)

I take issue with generational generalities -- they're as scientific as a fortune cookie.

But we'd better hope the younger generations develop a keen desire for hard work and sacrifice because the older generations will be needing the youngsters to work their tails off until they're 80 to pay for the oldsters' Medicare and Social Security benefits and keep the World War II and Boomer generations' private and public sector defined benefit pension plans fully funded as the youngsters' 401(k) plans look increasingly inadequate.

And we'll need a lot more taxpaying Americans in the future, including legal immigrants, to keep propping up the federal entitlement ponzi scheme that FDR instituted in the 1930s and which each succeeding generation has expanded.

America, with relatively few exceptions, is not a lazy nation. Never has been, never will be. But few among us will ever turn down a free lunch, or government giveaway that we don't really need. How many millionaires refuse Social Security? (an entitlement program I think should be means-tested)

What we are is hungry for job opportunities and capital to launch and expand small businesses.


P.S. There's a lot at stake this election, I hope that everyone who values hard work and less government makes the effort to vote this year. Civic responsibility is right up there with work ethic in the annals of What it Takes to be a Good American.

[urban5]

Though I find the conversation interesting, I guess I don't see what these posts have to do with the mass grave unless you are saying the Irish had a tremendous work ethic.

Other than that it is obvious this country has issues, as every other country in the world does also. I am a Gen Xer as you generalize, and I have a tremendous work ethic myself, and so does everyone else that I know. Of course I only surround myself with professional people.

The issues that this country has are nothing compared to others, in fact some of them are just plain silly to bring up. I am not afraid to say it, I am a caring Republican (didn't think those existed did you), but above all else I am an American. That is what is important. Do I have opinions about all the problems in this world? sure I do. Will I solve them? I will do my best with the situations presented.

Do I take offense at your generation generalization? I do. Through out history there have always been lazy people, but history only remembers the really good things, and the really bad. There are just as many hard working Americans today as there were in WWII, it has just not been tested in the same way. As an example your college grad, stats. There are way more college grads than there were in any other decade in America. There are also way more countries able to offer college services than there have been in the past. So essentially you are comparing apples to oranges. Why does this even matter anyway? College grads helped make the USA what it is today, but it didn't do it alone. This country was built off the backs of non college ( and completely uneducated people) grad, and love.

Separating us all by age and my decade is better than yours is laughable at best. So there are more deadbeats than there used to be, there is also a much larger population. Things aren't made as well as they used to be, my Ford Ranger just turned over 300,000 miles, name a 40's car that ever did that. All these arguments are useless and make no difference, with change and solutions to problems comes more change and more problems, this is the way of the world.

In conclusion, I also agree that this has no place in General discussion, but should be in off topic, if not locked, but then again it was my choice whether to read, and respond or not. That's the great thing about the USA.

[robertaw]

FYI, crack mothers cannot keep having babies to get paid. Welfare as it once was is non existent in most states now. Healthy adults are limited to three years of welfare in their lifetime and then cut off regardless of how many babies they have. I do not condone crack users having children, or even using crack (or meth, or heroin, or whatever). Just stating the facts.

I work hard, my family works hard, and we all pay lots in taxes but I feel no anger towards people in need collecting government benefits. They're not exactly getting rich or even living an easy life on them. And they can't sit back and collect forever.

"Work ethic" is a meaningless statement. So people had to work a lot harder in the 19th century than they do now to make a living. I doubt any of them wanted to, they just had to. Same thing now. Most people wouldn't choose to work if they could get the same paycheck for nothing.

[emiller]

Heck collages are getting way to expensive anymore and it seams we put more money in to our sports and coaches than putting the money where it is needed the most.

[oicu812]

We are a living breathing dystopia with little hope,each generation is weaker than the one before.Sorry.

[DrCrash]

We can bring guns into the conversation. 0OOps I said it

[S. Heisley]

Gage wrote:

This thread belongs in the 'OFF TOPIC' section.

Gage, if this were in the Off-Topic section, people might be more likely to read MadJack's statement/sticky, there. But, so we don't forget about it, here is what MJ wrote there:

...of late, there have been any number of threads in the off topic section concerning politics and religion(tis the season for both)...as anyone who has been on this board for any time knows, these types of threads can and do go bad inna hurry and as such we don't encourage them...However, as long as the posters remain civil, they will stay, BUT at the first sign of them going bad we will lock or pull them..so stay civil and remember that we are here to discuss T&TTT's, their constuction and useage.....

Frankly, I don't know what the difference is between the General Discussion section and the Off-Topic section. I think it's probably okay that this is in the General Discussion area...but I've already told you that I don't know. Maybe we should have a definition sticky in each of these two sections, just like MJ recently put in the new "For Sale, Not Mine" section?

Now, you can go back to your already programmed work ethic comments.

[Miriam C.]

I just have one question. What the hell does any of this have to do with TEARDROPS and TINY TRAVEL TRAILERS.


This thread belongs in the 'OFF TOPIC' section. Wake up ADMIN.

By your leave! Sometimes we have things that keep us from being here or reading all the posts. It is now in off topic!

Thank you Sharon for reminding us all......

BTW a pm or email will usually get me here.

[caseydog]

United we stand, divided we fall.

The "greatest generation" lived through the double whammy of a great depression and a world war. They came together, and helped one another -- at least that's how my grandfather put it.

Today, we are going through some tough times, although nothing compared to a depression and world war, and what I see are some Americans pointing at other Americans, and saying, "You are ruining "my" country.

Adversity brought out the best in the "greatest generation," but seems to bring out the worst in us today. Maybe the current level of adversity isn't enough.

On September 12, 2001, conservatives and liberals, young and old, rich and poor, were all speechless -- gutted by an unimaginable horror. But here we are, nine years later, back at each other's throats.

As for the original post (or rant), I'm an old fart, and I've known and worked with enough Gen-X'ers and Gen-Y'ers to know that they are, by and large, good people and hard workers, just like people of my generation. They are not as willing to "sell their souls" to a career as I once was, along with most of my boomer peers. But, I rather think that having a balanced life is a good thing. I admire them for that.

One more thing, a question, actually. When the "real Americans" take "their" country back, can the rest of us stay?

CD

[Fenlason]

United we stand, divided we fall.

The "greatest generation" lived through the double whammy of a great depression and a world war. They came together, and helped one another -- at least that's how my grandfather put it.

Today, we are going through some tough times, although nothing compared to a depression and world war, and what I see are some Americans pointing at other Americans, and saying, "You are ruining "my" country.

Adversity brought out the best in the "greatest generation," but seems to bring out the worst in us today. Maybe the current level of adversity isn't enough.

On September 12, 2001, conservatives and liberals, young and old, rich and poor, were all speechless -- gutted by an unimaginable horror. But here we are, nine years later, back at each other's throats.

As for the original post (or rant), I'm an old fart, and I've known and worked with enough Gen-X'ers and Gen-Y'ers to know that they are, by and large, good people and hard workers, just like people of my generation. They are not as willing to "sell their souls" to a career as I once was, along with most of my boomer peers. But, I rather think that having a balanced life is a good thing. I admire them for that.

One more thing, a question, actually. When the "real Americans" take "their" country back, can the rest of us stay?

CD

Well said..

[Miriam C.]

United we stand, divided we fall.

The "greatest generation" lived through the double whammy of a great depression and a world war. They came together, and helped one another -- at least that's how my grandfather put it.

Today, we are going through some tough times, although nothing compared to a depression and world war, and what I see are some Americans pointing at other Americans, and saying, "You are ruining "my" country.

Adversity brought out the best in the "greatest generation," but seems to bring out the worst in us today. Maybe the current level of adversity isn't enough.

On September 12, 2001, conservatives and liberals, young and old, rich and poor, were all speechless -- gutted by an unimaginable horror. But here we are, nine years later, back at each other's throats.

As for the original post (or rant), I'm an old fart, and I've known and worked with enough Gen-X'ers and Gen-Y'ers to know that they are, by and large, good people and hard workers, just like people of my generation. They are not as willing to "sell their souls" to a career as I once was, along with most of my boomer peers. But, I rather think that having a balanced life is a good thing. I admire them for that.

One more thing, a question, actually. When the "real Americans" take "their" country back, can the rest of us stay?

CD

Well said..

+2 Very well said!

I will point out that President Johnson almost ended extreme poverty and starvation in one generation, actually almost one Presidency. Maybe we need to ask why and how again.

The paltry amount of money given for the care of children in this country does not break the country. It is in fact the Bankers, housing lenders, and Wall Street who have brought us to the brink again.....as during the depression.

[robertaw]

United we stand, divided we fall.

The "greatest generation" lived through the double whammy of a great depression and a world war. They came together, and helped one another -- at least that's how my grandfather put it.

Today, we are going through some tough times, although nothing compared to a depression and world war, and what I see are some Americans pointing at other Americans, and saying, "You are ruining "my" country.

Adversity brought out the best in the "greatest generation," but seems to bring out the worst in us today. Maybe the current level of adversity isn't enough.

On September 12, 2001, conservatives and liberals, young and old, rich and poor, were all speechless -- gutted by an unimaginable horror. But here we are, nine years later, back at each other's throats.

As for the original post (or rant), I'm an old fart, and I've known and worked with enough Gen-X'ers and Gen-Y'ers to know that they are, by and large, good people and hard workers, just like people of my generation. They are not as willing to "sell their souls" to a career as I once was, along with most of my boomer peers. But, I rather think that having a balanced life is a good thing. I admire them for that.

One more thing, a question, actually. When the "real Americans" take "their" country back, can the rest of us stay?

CD

Well said..

+2 Very well said!

I will point out that President Johnson almost ended extreme poverty and starvation in one generation, actually almost one Presidency. Maybe we need to ask why and how again.

The paltry amount of money given for the care of children in this country does not break the country. It is in fact the Bankers, housing lenders, and Wall Street who have brought us to the brink again.....as during the depression.

+3 on this one. See, we all CAN just get along.

[B52]

Anyone care to wager on it being locked before the end of the day?

I'd have not taken THAT bet!