Don & Christi's 6 x 10 Cargo Conversion

Converting Cargo Trailers into TTTs

A Bit More Progress

Postby d30gaijin » Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:27 pm

Completed the bed frame and it's ready for placement of the electrically inflatable air mattress. Man, what a pain working and cutting 4x8 sheets of 5/8" plywood by yourself using a table saw. Had to do some supertrick juggling to get that done.
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By the way, in case anyone is wondering, the bed frame was built to fit a Queen size mattress (62" wide x 80" long). If that proves to be more than we need, well we can easily go smaller. Once built, well it is easier to go smaller, such as to a double ("Full Size") mattress (typically 54" x 75") than it is to go larger.

I've got room underneath the bed frame to store the Honda EU2000i generator, gas cans, propane tanks, 13" slide in plastic storage bins, or up to 17" drop in plastic storage bins, the latter requires lifting the 5/8" plywood deck to drop the 17" bins in.

As a side note, what you see is not what it will look like in final form. All the plywood wall surfaces will be covered in a nice final finish paneling.

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Got the Formica cut and installed. As I imagined, geez what a pain that stuff is to work with (cut). I tried tin snips, as suggested by a You Tube video, but that didn't work well cutting a long length (started to chip). Finally ended up cutting it on the table saw, and that was dicey. I only had one shot at it (only had one piece long enough to fit the width of the counter top i.e., bought a remnant locally off of Craigslist), but it worked out OK in the long run. Next was gluing it in place. I used contact cement as suggested by the Home Depot folks. I applied it to both surfaces as stated on the can instructions. NOTE!!! When using contact cement you only get one shot at placing the Formica because once down you can't move it. It is stuck in place. It wouldn't be so bad doing a free standing counter where you could slap down an over size piece of Formica and trim to fit. No such luck for me. I cut the Formica to a pattern I made and had to install (glue) it in place in a confined space (defined borders). A pain in the rear but, thankfully, it turned out OK.

Also wired in the Battery Tender.

I suppose that doesn't sound like much progress but it took me all day to get that far along. We're almost "initial run" camp ready. Just need to finish plumbing the hand pump sink and drain and we're good to go. Final interior finish will come later this Fall/Winter.

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Postby racerrandy » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:06 pm

Don, how wide is the interior of your trailer?

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Postby GPW » Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:21 am

Don , are you really comfortable with gas and propane under the bed ??? :o
Thinking that is better stored Outside the CT...
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Postby d30gaijin » Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:02 am

GPW wrote:Don , are you really comfortable with gas and propane under the bed ??? :o
Thinking that is better stored Outside the CT...


GPW,

OOPS! I only meant storing while in transit. Once on site all gas, propane, and anything flammable will indeed be stored outside. No point in having a comfy bed atop a potential bomb. :lol:

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Postby GPW » Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:31 am

Don't you have a tongue box for that (explosive) stuff?? :o
I'm ripping the propane out of my TT (merely disconnecting) , cause they put the water heater under the bed ....grrrrrrrr! Never work for a Safety Man ... :roll:
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Postby d30gaijin » Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:55 pm

GPW wrote:Don't you have a tongue box for that (explosive) stuff?? :o
I'm ripping the propane out of my TT (merely disconnecting) , cause they put the water heater under the bed ....grrrrrrrr! Never work for a Safety Man ... :roll:


GPW,

The tongue box isn't big enough to fit the battery and a propane tank, not to mention I don't want a propane tank in the same box as the battery (picky me) :Oh Brother:

What will you do for hot water in your Jayco? Those RV gas water heaters cost a lot of money and you're not going to use it? :shocked:

The water heater in my Jayco is also under the bed but I never gave it much thought. By the time we go to bed only the pilot light is going (and it is actually external to the trailer), the water having been heated sometime before and I have never noticed it turning on in the middle of the night to heat water, even in mid 30 degree temps (assuming we're not using any hot water in the middle of the night). Beside, if something goes awry, and even if the water heater were placed elsewhere in the trailer, total burn down time on a trailer is what, about 15 minutes max? At least if a fire starts under the bed we'll know it immediately and be out of there.

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Postby GPW » Fri Sep 03, 2010 6:40 am

You're right ... battery and propane won't play well together in the same box ... :o

Going with Solar water heater on the Jayco , and/or one of those electric units like you have ... Pulling the propane WH out ... May just sell it cheap to someone who needs one... In fact ALL the propane appliances are going ...Reefer, Stove/oven, furnace, and WH... After 3 years , none have been even turned on ... Refit will better suit our needs... Even the roof AC is leaving ... Too Noisy , amp hungry for our needs.. and it stays on all the time ... grrrrr!!! Smaller window shaker will cool the TT adequately and shut off at intervals .... saves weight and drag off the top ... AC will fit in where the reefer is , on a slide out using the reefer access hatch already there... Even changing all the lights for LEDs ... Everything on the Jayco is old school power hungry and Heavy , a mistake I won't be repeating on the CT conversion... still looking for the right CT now ... in a month I'll start getting SS so that will pay for it all ... 8)

Figured I'd save about 300 lbs + with all the changes ... more stuff I can carry instead of the useless (never used ) stuff.

I must confess our driveway style of camping is waaaaay different than most folks , so our needs are different ... and may not apply to "standard" camping.

Our EVAC camping is usually a couple days , but we must be prepared for an extended stay (last time 6 weeks :o )... If any of our appliances break , they can be easily replaced for a pittance of what the RV dealers would charge .. Wall Mart , Sears , Loews... all stock what we need ... Easy for us Older folks ...

We learned a hard lesson about RV dealers on our last incident ... $$$$ :shock:


On your Jayco , be SURE to make sure everything is OK BEFORE the warranty runs out , or you and your bank account are on your own .... Found that out the hard way ... grrrrr!!!!
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Maiden Voyage In Our 6x10 Converted CT

Postby d30gaijin » Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:19 pm

We took our converted CT out for its initial camping trip over Labor Day Weekend (2010). It was a super push to get it complete enough to go but go we did.

We drove a total of 648 miles over the weekend, about 500 of those towing the cargo trailer to and from Idaho Falls, Idaho (approx. 250 miles one way). It towed great! We did some day trips, which added the additional (approx.) 150 miles.

We based ourselves out of a fairly nice, though somewhat expensive, campground in Idaho Falls (that's what happens when you don't plan trips in advance and find you have to take what you can get on a busy weekend when you arrive late in the evening) and we did day trips from there. Went to Palisades reservoir on Sunday, what a beautiful lake in eastern Idaho, well up in the mountains. Found some great camping sites there for future trips. Also found (saw it going to Idaho Falls and then stopped by on the return trip) a great spot about 2 hours from Boise on the Big Wood River (near Sun Valley) that we can camp at for free (dry camping).

Learned a lot from this initial trip with the CT and will be redoing my design. The big queen air bed was really comfortable and roomy for the two of us to sleep on but is simply too big for the CT in that it takes up most of the room in the trailer.

Sunday in Idaho Falls, especially in the evening, it was cold and very very windy so it would have been nice to have more room to sit inside the trailer (we had to sit and cook outside and endure the wind and cold because there was no room in the trailer, the queen bed takes up a huge chunk of real estate inside a 6x10 CT). So I will redesign with a pair of bunk beds crosswise to the trailer in the aft end giving us room to sit inside, room for a small table, and more room to move around inside should we want too. Still, it was a great trip and so nice to get away and try out the CT conversion.

As to the home 110v AC appliances in the CT, well they worked out great! The cheap Sears home/dorm reefer worked perfectly. I plugged it in the day before leaving to get it cold. We then stocked it the night before leaving on our trip with foods we wanted cold so they and the reefer would be cold. I also froze a large block of ice in a plastic Tupperware type container in our home freezer the night before that would fit inside the little Sears reefer freezer. I put the ice block in the Sears reefer freezer just as we left on our trip i.e., once I unplugged the reefer from the 110v AC connection at home. It kept everything in the reefer cold during our 4 1/2 hours drive from Boise to the Idaho Falls campground in 95 degree heat. Once we arrived at our camp site and the reefer was plugged in again, it froze solid from its slight melt and was good for our 6 hour return trip (we took some side roads and casual stops on the way back), once again keeping everything cool in the entire reefer.

I left the cheap Sharp carousel microwave oven on the galley counter top lashed to the wall using some nylon tie down straps I found at Home Depot. Same with the Porta Potty, the heavy cast iron propane stove, and the Honda EU20001 generator, the latter were all lashed to the sidewalls but sitting on the floor of the CT. Everything stayed in place during travel... and that was a relief. And while we went over some poorly graveled (rough) roads and bumpy terrain it was good to see everything stayed where it was supposed to.

I bought a 5 gallon plastic fresh water tank and some 2" wide adhesive backed Velcro strips and stuck Velcro to the bottom of it, and opposing Velcro to the floor. Filled the fresh water tank with 5 gallons and stuck it to the floor via the Velcro strips. It stayed perfectly in place for the 500 miles over some semi-rough terrain. I also used the 2" Velcro to secure the Sears reefer door so it wouldn't open during travel.

Again, it was a great trip and a learning experience for our first outing in our CT conversion! Pics of our CT in the Idaho Falls campground follow. We were the smallest trailer there, needless to say, but never felt inadequate. In fact I have to say we felt a bit smug thinking how little we have spent to sleep comfortably in the same campground huge expensive rigs were in because, even in the wind and cold, most of the huge rig owners were also sitting outside of their rigs sipping toddy's as we were. :cheerswine:

Stealth camping at its finest! :twisted:

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Postby roadinspector » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:12 pm

Sounds like the shake down run went well.

You might consider building a queen size bed frame that folds up against the wall when it is not needed. Hinge system would be an "L". Hinge point is at top of vertical leg of "L" against wall. Horizontal leg of "L" extends out to make bed frame. The Vertical leg of the "L" is a little taller than the thickness of the matress. This will allow you to leave the matress and bedding in place but out of the way when folded up. Use what ever type of straps you want to secure it to the wall. Fold down locking legs to support the bed when folded down for use. This would give you more room needed on those bad weather days but yet keep the queen size bed you obviously want.

My 2 cents worth. I am too used to sleeping next to my wife to help keep the bed warm. Our dog is too small to do any good.
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Postby GPW » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:31 am

Don , sounds like you had a Great time !!! 8)

Glad everything worked out as planned ... !!! looks Super set up !!!! :thumbsup:
Thinking instead of traditional bunks, the trundle bed setup which would essentially be a comfy sofa /seating area by day( Only 28" deep) , and a couple light TV trays (anybody remember those ? ) would solve your sitting /dining problems and still be stealth simple ... just an idea... :roll:

Something like this , with lots of storage below , easy to access... Image
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Postby d30gaijin » Tue Sep 07, 2010 10:36 pm

GPW wrote:Don , sounds like you had a Great time !!! 8)

Glad everything worked out as planned ... !!! looks Super set up !!!! :thumbsup:
Thinking instead of traditional bunks, the trundle bed setup which would essentially be a comfy sofa /seating area by day( Only 28" deep) , and a couple light TV trays (anybody remember those ? ) would solve your sitting /dining problems and still be stealth simple ... just an idea... :roll:


GPW,

I'm thinking of using the existing E-Track and adding more E-Track above to make bunk beds. With the E-Track everything can be removed to make it into a cargo trailer again.

I like your trundle bed design but am not sure I truly understand it. Does your design mount (or sit) on the side wall and run the length of the trailer or is it intended to go crosswise? I prefer to go crosswise since I have the E-Track wall mount rails already installed for the lower bunk. It would only be a matter of adding a pair of 2.5 ft. E-Track rails above the existing E-Track rails (in the aft end of the trailer) to install an upper bunk. Also, a trundle bed that mounts and pulls out from the side (or the rear) eats up floor space when let out for sleeping whereas bunk beds don't. What I am after now is max floor space without having to move things around i.e., I am thinking "Go vertical."

Please keep the thoughts and ideas coming. :thumbsup:

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Postby GPW » Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:13 am

Nothing wrong with bunk beds if you're young ... We older folks have a bit of hassle getting into the "Upper " sometimes ... :roll:

That E track is sure cool and a great idea for adding an upper berth.. All in what you need really ...

The trundle idea , would provide a sofa for comfortable seating during the day ... something important to my wife !!! She is a crossword addict and that and a reading light would pacify her during times of boredom ...
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Postby d30gaijin » Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:18 pm

GPW wrote:Nothing wrong with bunk beds if you're young ... We older folks have a bit of hassle getting into the "Upper " sometimes ... :roll:

That E track is sure cool and a great idea for adding an upper berth.. All in what you need really ...

The trundle idea , would provide a sofa for comfortable seating during the day ... something important to my wife !!! She is a crossword addict and that and a reading light would pacify her during times of boredom ...


GPW,

Believe me I am no spring chicken (62 years old last July) but I can still spring into an upper bunk when I am tired enough to want to go to bed... which is earlier each day, now-a-days, or not sick like I am now with something I can't identify... been down all day with something not nice. :surrender: My problem is I have always refused to grow up. :beautiful:

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Postby vtx1029 » Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:34 pm

We did bunk beds in our trailer and it worked out awesome! The top one is fixed but half of the lower one lifts up so we can get our bikes in there 8)

Sorry about the mess :lol:

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Postby d30gaijin » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:22 pm

vtx1029 wrote:We did bunk beds in our trailer and it worked out awesome! The top one is fixed but half of the lower one lifts up so we can get our bikes in there 8)

Sorry about the mess :lol:



VTX,

Mess or no, that's a nice looking setup How wide is your CT? Mine is only 5'9" inside side to side and I'm 6'1" but I mostly sleep on my side so bunks in the rear should work. I'm going with the E-track so both bunks will be removable to get the Harley in when we want to take it along, not to mention I already have the E-Track hardware, just need to reconfigure it for bunks.

Another thing I noticed about the inflatable air mattress that, while it is very comfortable, it gets cold in the early hours of night/morning on cold nights when there is no heat going in the CT. It's sort of like sleeping on a water bed that has no heater, though not as cold as the latter.

Thank you for the pics of your CT!

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