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Postby southpennrailroad » Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:14 pm

Today is the best day of my whole 14 years of researching a railroad that was never completed. This hobby is a passion that helps keep me going through time. The railroad in question is called the South Pennsylvania Railroad along the route of the Pennsylvania Turnpike. It was never completed and sat unfinished for 50 years when in the 1935-40 the depression was helped pulled out by putting men to work building the first super highway. The problem is that even though the turnpike bought up this abandoned railroad they also abandoned almost the whole route as well. It seems they were after only the tunnels. Thus the turnpike is also called sometimes as the all weather tunnel highway.

I have been researching this route because it was never finished and to me it is like an unfinished puzzle. How many feel good when they have all the pieces of a puzzle and complete the puzzle they started. Traveling from Harrisburg to Wheeling West Virginia, Pittsburgh and some other branch lines as well. The pieces of the puzzle are the actual maps, actual work sites, actual aerial photos and actual correspondences.

This one particular site I drove out to today is located at the foot hill of what is called the Chestnut Ridge just south east of Greensburg, Pa. Here is a farm located that has been troubling me for ten years and finally I got two of the pieces of the puzzle located to complete the route. You see the area had not a stitch of work done and all I had was a semi rough map made by the railroad showing just three streams merging together with one of the streams beginning just below the foundation of a house or spring house. Well I found the site today and boy am I thrilled to have found it. I still wasn't sure of one other piece though until I got home and studied the terrain I had just visited and using 1938 aerial photos which showed another creek which was my real problem was located just a little bit west of my location I was at. If I could locate that creek then I would know where the route would be the rest of the way home to Pittsburgh. Anyway I did some more studying and found that as well. I need to now get back out to that creek and photograph that bend in the creek.

By finding these two landmarks I was able to complete a huge section of the puzzle. WOW Whoopie!

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Here is the view from today. When you first pull down into this driveway you see a two story house and a barn and a few other buildings. But I came away with what actually occurred here. No I didn't tell the owner as I figured this out after getting home just before writing this to you.

1.Behind the house is a two story log cabin over a spring. Smart these people were in 1884 as to not have to go outside for water in the winter. Railroad would travel from left to right behind the house and barn.

2. Who builds a two story (small as it may be) spring house? I figured out that it was the main house. The barn was just to the west (right) of the house next to the creek.

3. With the railroad going to build over the log cabin they appear to have taken the money and built the two story house you see in the photo. The property would still be huge for that period so why move. Live with the railroad and still farm. Only problem Really! the railroad never was completed, the money spent and when the turnpike who bought the railroad right of way themselves never using it (see turnpike off to the right) so the money is not returned, the grounds still used for grazing and a new house built. The barn was dropped and rebuilt using the same lumber but built in the spot you see in this picture just 200 feet up hill from the never completed railroad alignment.

Who made out on this deal I ask.

I saw this about 60 miles to the east as well. This is really a great hobby.The views and story's and letters

Hopefuly you all know that feeling.
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Postby 48Rob » Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:36 am

I enjoy solving mysteries too.

Congtatulations, and thanks for the history lesson!

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Postby southpennrailroad » Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:47 am

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This is the house with the spring beneath it. According to the map provided below this is section 182 on the bottom left side. The barn was just to the right in this view (photo above. No sign of it. even the stones for the foundation are not around. I suspect they were also moved to the area up the hill seen in the previous photo. I get the feeling he (the farmer) was not well to do or frugal with what he had. He had a lot of property though. Why let the railroad destroy and get rid (bury) of something (barn) that was worth re using.

I saw one site where a barn was put up in the spring and when the railroad was surveying the farmer took it down that same year and re built across the road. That barn is still standing.

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I like this hobby as it also gets me onto private property where the farmer allow me to boondock while exploring more. I look at it as a 213 mile camping area. If I had to look at a profession that I would equate myself with during the railroad period, it would be the Chief Engineer for the survey period. he was all over from Wheeling to Pittsburgh and Harrisburg. Just like I have been to.
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Postby digimark » Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:30 pm

Congratulations on your find! I raise a glass to toast your success...

:wine:

Are you planning to publish your research soon?
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Postby southpennrailroad » Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:52 pm

digimark wrote:Congratulations on your find! I raise a glass to toast your success...

:wine:


Are you planning to publish your research soon?


I have been. I make them as the demand calls for them. Problem is its an on going thing. Think that this has been sitting in our woods for 120 years and one man looking for it makes for a lot of it to just still sit there. still un noticed. I document them on a personal two DVD journal as well. I keep all the stuff documented on DVDs.

Franklin/Huntigdon county, has been all documented

Fulton County, has been all documented

Bedford County, has been all documented

Somerset County, 1, 2, 3. books. This took three volumes to show where I have explored. has been all documented

Cumerland County is done but only 57 pages. So I am considering doing a write up on the Marysville to Burnt Cabins route. Sort of a back door alignment from Harrisburg to Burnt Cabins route. has been all documented

I still have Westmoreland County to document. I am doing that now such as the site I just discovered. Don't get me wrong I know where the route is but when I see landmarks I try to get a first hand view of the sites and photograph it. Finding a specific landmark helps me be more precise. Like being in a cockpit. Its one thing to see the airport, it's another to land on the runway. Filling in gaps is what I am doing now.
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Postby hotrod » Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:31 pm

It is fun isnt it?? A bud and I do the same but with old minnesota roads, I do some railroad to, the northern pacific rerouted a large section of rail thru here and left oooodles of clues, some of the railbed turned into one of minnesotas first main roads and eventually US highway.. I can spend HOURS messing with this stuff, google earth is a pretty powetrful tool.. This is absolutely facinating for me.
Keep up the good work, I know exactly what your going thru.... :thumbsup:
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Postby southpennrailroad » Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:44 pm

hotrod wrote:It is fun isnt it?? A bud and I do the same but with old minnesota roads, I do some railroad to, the northern pacific rerouted a large section of rail thru here and left oooodles of clues, some of the railbed turned into one of minnesotas first main roads and eventually US highway.. I can spend HOURS messing with this stuff, google earth is a pretty powetrful tool.. This is absolutely facinating for me.
Keep up the good work, I know exactly what your going thru.... :thumbsup:


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I thought I was alone in this. In my work I travel constantly and see unusual changes in the landscape and then go home and check them out on maps and such. Here in Pennsylvania our government saw fit as far back as the 1937-40 and again in the early 60' and once more in the 70's to photograph our entire state. I saw the ones for the 1930's at the archives in Harrisburg but Penn State saw fit to make an on line program (attached) to let others see the photos.

If your from any where near our part of the country or even traveled through you should enjoy this. Warning you will spend some time on this.

http://www.pennpilot.psu.edu/
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Postby southpennrailroad » Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:50 pm

Old topographic maps for the east coast. I had this for quit a number of years. This one is great as well.

http://historical.maptech.com/
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Postby hotrod » Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:52 pm

http://www.deadpioneer.com/blog/
heres buddys site, Ive taken a few pics in there, he does alot of research and has it down pat... I like to go exploring and seeing whats left...
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Postby hotrod » Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:56 pm

http://www.deadpioneer.com/blog/?p=135
heres one im to blame for.... :lol:
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Postby southpennrailroad » Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:03 pm

hotrod wrote:http://www.deadpioneer.com/blog/
heres buddys site, Ive taken a few pics in there, he does alot of research and has it down pat... I like to go exploring and seeing whats left...


This grade built but never used. It was carved 120 years ago. The Turnpike owned this and I think still does.

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In this shot you can see the Pennsylvania Turnpike down lower to the right looking west along the 8.5 mile climb up the Allegheny Mountain. The Turnpike is doing 5.5 miles. Soon to reach the famous Allegheny Tunnels.
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Postby hotrod » Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:09 pm

nice...its funny, some people never stop and think of how things got to be how they are but if you dig a little it all comes clear!
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Postby southpennrailroad » Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:15 pm

Here is a section (again) never used in a different part of the county. Looking west The tunnel is beneath me and was called the Quemahoning Tunnel.



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That hole is actually a railroad tunnel.

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Before there were trains, a elaborate way of getting goods over the mountains was a set of ten inclines that pulled goods by car or boats over the mountain by using pulleys. Look it up called Portage Railroad near Altoona. The famous Pennsylvania Railroad Horse Shoe Curve route shut this system down.

This little flick shows how it was done. They don't have this in books any longer. I re called reading about these when I was in school.
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Postby southpennrailroad » Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:24 pm

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Pennsylvania has a few Roadside attractions. This one is in the town of Bedford, Pa along the famous Lincoln Highway. It almost fell apart and was moved and re done.

I would love to live in that. it use to be a restaurant.

When it was across the road from it;s present spot.

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Postby southpennrailroad » Thu Jan 06, 2011 9:29 pm

Famous Rockville Bridge on the Pennsylvania Railroad/Norfolk Southern route just north of Harrisburg Pennsylvania. It took about an hour to reach this site to get this shot atop the mountain over looking this famous stone arch bridge listed as the oldest and longest stone arch bridge in the world.

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