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Postby papmom35 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:11 pm

Frank-i just got new tires put on those wheels! Do you think new normal wheels and hubs will fit those tires?
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Postby frank_a » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:18 pm

What size tires Pam?
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Postby papmom35 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:30 pm

I'll have to look when I get home.
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Postby frank_a » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:42 pm

Okey dokey.
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Postby papmom35 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 7:57 pm

got home too late to see. will post tomorrow with tire size.
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Postby eamarquardt » Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:53 pm

I'm embarrassed to admit that I bought a trailer yesterday (to be picked up tomorrow) as my build is stalled due to my continuing issues with the "suicide disease", major projects at home, and a desire to have fun NOW. I am, however, pleased to report that Suzy has taken it well and is still speaking to me (although she has suggested that I might be living in the trailer for some indefinite period of time). It hasn't any brakes (but is reasonable to tow with my vehicle w/o brakes as long as it's not loaded) but it will have brakes before the first road trip (I'll just tow it home w/o brakes) as it will carry my motorcycle and my 10.5 foot boat and 6hp outboard motor it will require brakes when loaded for bear.

I've been looking around and this seems to be a good deal for a complete setup (I have a couple of controllers now):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Add-Brak ... 077wt_1082

I'll call my local distributor tomorrow but I doubt that their price will be better and if I can get it shipped to my door for just a bit more than driving to LA-LA land, it's worth it.

I'm not "entirely" convinced that buying one side from one source and the other side from another source is a good idea. W/O looking at the "deal" brake assembly and comparing it with the new one you will be required to purchase (you can't put brakes on just one side) I can't say they'd be the exactly the same. There could be slight differences that cause one to function just a bit better/worse than the other side and that might cause the trailer to sway or react in some other undesirable way when the brakes are applied. I'm not predicting "doom and gloom" but I think it's a good idea to used a "matched" set from the same manufacturer.

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Postby papmom35 » Mon Jun 06, 2011 9:33 pm

Good point Gus. I guess i was trusting the RV guy when he said he called Dexter initially to order a new axel for me and they told him they had 2 sets of brakes/drums left that would fit my rig. right before he called me to tell me the "good" news (no new axel needed) he also found a set in his storage area that he didn't know he had. I can call him and ask if what he has matches what Dexter has. If so, can I assume I'll be OK? If not, I don't think it's a simple matter of just getting "normal" wheels and hubs-from what the RV guy told me prediscovery, I would need a new axel to fit "normal" brakes to as well as new wheels/hubs.
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Postby eamarquardt » Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:50 pm

I am now officially confused. If you can find a rim that matches your existing rim and can get from your dealer/mechanic and Dexter a set of right and left brake assemblies that are the same generation/model/style you're home free. If you can' find a spare and/or a matching set of brakes I think the best solution is a new (or used) set of rims and an axle (with brakes) that has been made to the right length to match your trailer and your new rims.

Hope this helps.

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Postby papmom35 » Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:41 am

Gus, thank you so much for trying to help me work this through. I can't tell you how great you, Frank, EG and others have been to me with all your time and advice. You're in good company with the confusion, beleive me!! I have no idea what I'm talking about. The lingo is all new to me so let me try to summarize what I've learned so far:

As it stands right now, I have a 1982 Play-mor that apparently has an axel and rims/hubs (I assume both parts make up what we call the wheel?) that are not only obsolete but the likes of which most people have never seen, including the RV guy (oh yea-thank you Play-mor).
When I initially talked to the RV guy up in Maine about putting brakes on the rig, he said it would be virtually impossible to find a pair that would match and fit my axel and wheels (rims/hubs). When he went to call Dexter to order a new axel, they told him they happened to have 2 pair of brakes/drums that would actually fit the axel and wheels. They apparently are the only 2 pair left in the country. He didn't order them right away, he called me first with the good news that I didn't need a new axel after all. In the time between talking with Dexter and calling me, he found a brake/drum set in his storage barn he didn't know he had that would fit my setup for $75 (the set Dexter had would cost me $125 plus shipping) and he would only have to order one set from Dexter, not 2. As I was digesting this information, which seemed like great news, I got the news that my OB was not suitable for towing unless I wanted to throw $5K into it and even then I would be putting great stress on it. All this happened within 2 hours on the same day.

Since I now could not use the OB to go up to Maine to tow the rig back to MA, I decided to go with a transport company. The transporter had a big ass truck and he didn't need to have the brakes installed on the rig to bring it down to me. I decided not to spend the money at that time and told the RV guy just to change out the tires as he had also decided that the wheels were fine as is (I had originally thought they were not and would need new ones). The RV guy said that he would sell me the brake set he had for $50. Since I knew I would have to get a new TV, my plan was to get one large enough that I wouldn't need the brakes. Hindsight tells me I should have added the $50 to the bill and asked him to throw the brake setup in the rig for the transport down. I have since realized I can't afford a TV large enough not to need brakes on the rig so I am thinking of calling the RV guy and buying the set he has and I will have a friend bring them to me in July when I meet her at a trial (where I will be moteling it, not camping).
Your thought is that I need to make sure that what the RV guy has and what Dexter has match up. Is that correct? And, because I also need a whole new spare tire/wheel set, I will need to make sure it will match up with the brake sets. However, that may be tough as a new spare setup will probably NOT match up with the brakes I buy OR the axel I have and therefore, should I need to change the tire I will be operating on one brake which is not safe. So, because I need a complete new spare setup, it would be prudent to get 3 sets of wheels that match which would mean I would need to change the axel to match those wheels. Then it will be easier to get brakes that match all the new equipment. My preference would be to get wheels that match the tires I just bought but that may not be possible.

It now looks like I am looking at a new/used axel, 3 new wheels, 2 new brake/drum sets and possible 3 new tires. Which puts me back to where I was the day I bought the rig and had it inspected.

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Postby eamarquardt » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:03 am

Your thought is that I need to make sure that what the RV guy has and what Dexter has match up. Is that correct? Yes. And, because I also need a whole new spare tire/wheel set, I will need to make sure it will match up with the brake sets. Yup, you gotta be able to bolt your spare to the hub/brake drum on your trailer. However, that may be tough as a new spare setup will probably NOT match up with the brakes You just have to find one that fits I buy OR the axel I have and therefore, should I need to change the tire I will be operating on one brake which is not safe I'm not sure where this is coming from. Once you install the brakes/drums you can't easily remove them on the side of the road so you have to have a rim/tire that fits. Once the brakes are installed, they'll remain in place/you'll leave them in place so you'll always have em on both wheels. So, because I need a complete new spare setup, it would be prudent to get 3 sets of wheels that match which would mean I would need to change the axel to match those wheels. Yup, but you may be able to buy three matched used rims in the size of your current tires so you can reuse them. Then it will be easier to get brakes that match all the new equipment. My preference would be to get wheels that match the tires I just bought but that may not be possible. I think it's likely you'll be able to find rims that fit your new tires.

It now looks like I am looking at a new/used axel, 3 new wheels, 2 new brake/drum sets and possible 3 new tires. Which puts me back to where I was the day I bought the rig and had it inspected. Stuff happens. I've always gotten what I wanted it one "department" buy sacrificing in another "department" (getting another job, doing without elsewhere, etc).

Good luck.

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Postby frank_a » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:29 am

Pam,

What is missing here is that brake drums are in most all cases also the hub. What I don't get is what brake drum/hub this guy in ME has that will fit the trailer, unless it is one that fits the axle stub, replaces that old 4 pointed star hub that sticks through your wheels and is going to require new wheels anyways. Again, once the hub cap is removed, pull the cotter pin, take off the nut, and pull the hub off the axle. In doing this, the outer bearing will fall out. Clean it with an old rag of some kind, and tell me what the part number is on it. Then I'll be able to tell you whether you have a common axle or an uncommon axle. I'm assuming the inner bearing would be the same as the outer, but that would require removal of the seal to see. Once you remove the hub and get that bearing number (it will be in very small type!), take a picture of the axle stub (like the same scale as the one of the wheel you posted above) and post it too. Alternatively, remove the rear seal (understanding you will need a new one when you put everything back together - seals are inexpensive) and the rear bearing will fall out. Give me the number off that, and then we would know the axle stub size for sure. I'm betting it is either 1" or 1 1/6", but there's only one way to find out.

What's the tire size?

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Postby papmom35 » Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:58 am

Tires on Play-Mor:

Solid Trac ST 205/75D14

I am scared to death to jack this thing up and remove the rim. Changing a tire on a car is one thing-there are 3 others wheels keeping the car from tipping over! I'm going to have my dad come over as early as he can to help me with this-hopefully before it gets too warm. Then we are going TV (tow vehicle, not entertainment!!) shopping.

FYI-I looked at the spare-the rim has the same star shaped cut out as the rims on the axel/hub but I don't think it's in great shape-I see a lot of dents.
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Postby frank_a » Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:04 am

Those are good standard tires that will fit most any regular 14" trailer wheel that you might pick up once you figure out what size the axle stub is and see if it's standard at all. Again, I assume it is either 1" or 1 1/16" but there's no way of knowing without pulling the hub (the star shaped thing sticking out the middle of your wheels) as I have described above.

The way to safely jack is up is to triangulate it, i.e., hook it up to your TV, then jack up one side.

Good luck!

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Postby papmom35 » Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:28 am

that's going to be a problem as I don't have a hitch on my OB since it's not going to be a TV!
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Just Kidding (kind of). I've got 2 scissor jacks and maybe we can use a regular car jack on the tongue.
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Postby frank_a » Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:35 am

As long as the tongue is solidly located, it doesn't need to be jacked up Pam. Usually travel trailers have a tongue jack attached. Yours doesn't? You can pick them up pretty cheap, (like at Walmart). If the tongue is solidly located, jacking up one side a bit should not be a problem. Again, loosen the lug nuts a bit before you jack it up if you want to remove the wheel. To check out the axle, you don't really even need to remove the wheel, just the hub cab on the hub, cotter pin, nut, etc, as described above. Then the wheel stays attached to the hub and the whole kit n kaboodle comes off.

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