Free energy magnet motor

[LDK]

Scientist say there is no such thing as free energy. They say it would break the laws of thermodynamics. I just wonder if there really could be a free energy magnet motor out there. If a free energy device was ever developed I'm sure the government and big oil wouldn't supress it.

http://youtu.be/kCr3lOhMJCg
http://youtu.be/1P30dVMI-HE
http://youtu.be/vUcWn1x3Tss

[LDK]

Forget campground electrical, batteries, and solar, for our teardrops. We'll just hook up one of these magnet motors to a generator to make our electricity and then we could just mount them in our tongue boxes.

[GuitarPhotog]

Smoke and mirrors!

If you're interested, I've got a bridge

<Chas>

[dh]

I've always had a liking for purpetual motion machines. The problem is always obtaining 100% efficency, can't get more out than you put in. In reality, even the earth itself isn't a free energy machine, it basically runs off a power source called the sun, which will eventually burn out.

[eamarquardt]

I've always had a liking for purpetual motion machines. The problem is always obtaining 100% efficency, can't get more out than you put in. In reality, even the earth itself isn't a free energy machine, it basically runs off a power source called the sun, which will eventually burn out.

Yes, but before it does it will turn into a "red giant" and it will consume and toast the earth. Better get off now while the getting is good!!!!!

Doom and gloom!

Cheers,

Gus

[angib]

I don't count as perpetual motion machine a device that requires you to move a magnet in and out, by hand, next to it. It's a bit like calling a water turbine perpetual when the water is coming from a guy next to it working a pump!

When the British songwriter Billy Bragg wrote "the laws of gravity are very, very strict", it's a shame he didn't include the laws of thermodynamics too.

And even these guys didn't include the third law: http://youtu.be/246wD23cX-I

I mean, even Homer knows this: http://youtu.be/Xy0UBpagsu8

[eamarquardt]

No one has come out and said it so I will. The first law of thermodynamics sez you can't get something for nothing (as in perpetual motion machine). The second law sez that you don't even get what you pay for (as in gasoline engines only get 25 percent of the gasoline's energy converted to mechanical energy).

Soooooo, you aren't gonna get "free" anything in life but you can be "cost effective" if you have a plan and make the right choices.

Cheers,

Gus

[dh]

While purpetual motion and free energy machines are not a reality, I still like seeing 'artistic renditions'.

[LDK]

I can see why the calloway v gate magnet motor doesn't work because of the energy requirement to lift the stator magnet up past the lock up point but what about this one. http://youtu.be/vUcWn1x3Tss I can't see any reason why this one wouldn't work other than because of friction. I've searched you tube and I didn't see this set up anywhere. I'll keep looking, I would really like to see this particular set up.

[dh]

If everything was 100% efficient, and there was no loss to friction, heat, air resistance, electrical resistance... A motor turning a generator that powers said motor would work, but...

[eamarquardt]

I can see why the calloway v gate magnet motor doesn't work because of the energy requirement to lift the stator magnet up past the lock up point but what about this one. http://youtu.be/vUcWn1x3Tss I can't see any reason why this one wouldn't work other than because of friction. I've searched you tube and I didn't see this set up anywhere. I'll keep looking, I would really like to see this particular set up.

Friction dooms all "perpetual motion machines". The energy put into the machine to get it going eventually gets dissipated as heat. Even if the machine were "friction free" if you pulled any energy out of the machine (such as driving a generator) the machine would slow down and eventually stop as the energy was pulled out of the machine/system as electricity.

You just gotta have faith. 2,603,257 living physicists can't be wrong.

Cheers,

Gus

[LDK]

I can see why the calloway v gate magnet motor doesn't work because of the energy requirement to lift the stator magnet up past the lock up point but what about this one. http://youtu.be/vUcWn1x3Tss I can't see any reason why this one wouldn't work other than because of friction. I've searched you tube and I didn't see this set up anywhere. I'll keep looking, I would really like to see this particular set up.

Friction dooms all "perpetual motion machines". The energy put into the machine to get it going eventually gets dissipated as heat. Even if the machine were "friction free" if you pulled any energy out of the machine (such as driving a generator) the machine would slow down and eventually stop as the energy was pulled out of the machine/system as electricity.

You just gotta have faith. 2,603,257 living physicists can't be wrong.

Cheers,

Gus

I'm just tryin to keep an open mind. The 2nd law of thermodynamics has been broken once before. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2 ... roken.html I know that friction would play a big role in this and any other device but in this one you have attraction and repulsion working at the same time and moving in the same direction. It would be nice to actually see this particular configuration to know for sure.

[eamarquardt]

I can see why the calloway v gate magnet motor doesn't work because of the energy requirement to lift the stator magnet up past the lock up point but what about this one. http://youtu.be/vUcWn1x3Tss I can't see any reason why this one wouldn't work other than because of friction. I've searched you tube and I didn't see this set up anywhere. I'll keep looking, I would really like to see this particular set up.

Friction dooms all "perpetual motion machines". The energy put into the machine to get it going eventually gets dissipated as heat. Even if the machine were "friction free" if you pulled any energy out of the machine (such as driving a generator) the machine would slow down and eventually stop as the energy was pulled out of the machine/system as electricity.

You just gotta have faith. 2,603,257 living physicists can't be wrong.

Cheers,

Gus

I'm just tryin to keep an open mind. The 2nd law of thermodynamics has been broken once before. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2 ... roken.html I know that friction would play a big role in this and any other device but in this one you have attraction and repulsion working at the same time and moving in the same direction. It would be nice to actually see this particular configuration to know for sure.

Quote from linky above: "But the new experiment probed the uncertain middle ground between extremely small-scale systems and macroscopic systems and showed that the second law can also be consistently broken at micron scale, over time periods of up to two seconds".

In short, two seconds does not a perpetual motion machine make.

In addition, if your sample size/volume is very small (as in the experiment) the statistics involved get a bit "weird" due to the small number of "doo dads" involved (sometimes one must use "technical terms"). According to the article 100% predictable but not entirely applicable to the world we normally function in (another of the article's quotes: "Thankfully this probability is so small it never happens on human timescales" and human sized proportions).

Simply put, a perpetual motion machine aint gonna work.

Cheers,

Gus

[LDK]

Hey Gus ,

For some reason I just knew you would respond again. I didn't say it would or that it wouldn't!!!! I just said I'm gonna keep an open mind!!! I just said I wanted to see that particular set up. I don't act like I have all the answers like some people do

[jss06]

These are not Perpetual motion machines. They are constantly having energy fed into them from the permament magnets. So they are not breaking any physical laws. That being said. I would be curious as to the amount of energy you could get out of the device. The fact that they speed up means more power is going in then is being used by friction. But is that power usable? That is the question.

Obviously stronger magnets and a larger drum would produce more torque. It will be interesting to see if anyone can build a practical motor using this technique.