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Postby Cliffmeister2000 » Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:47 am

Have you looked at this from Costco? Only $190.

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Postby stumphugger » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:04 pm

Here is my big boat. Nope, those are not training wheels. They are part of my high tech get 'er on the car top method.

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Postby BigAl » Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:04 am

Hi Slow, I am one of the rubber raft brigade and I use one of these, with a Suzuki 2.5HP Four Stroke outboard for fishing...

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Please note that it is not one of these...

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... this green thing is a pool toy.

I put it in the trailer when we are travelling and hang the outboard over the back of a seat in the car.

"how small do they fold up too?"
It packs away to a 1 foot by 2 foot by 3 foot package.

"how fast can you blow one up?"
It comes with a speed inflating foot pump and special one way valves, and pumps up in less than 2 minutes with quite easy pumping.

"are they pretty good on not getting a hole in them?"
The rubber/fabric material is very thick. It would be very difficult to poke a hole in it. I have snagged hooks on it without even making a noticeable hole. It has even survived being beached on the rocky shoreline around here in surf, that would have cracked a plywood boat like an eggshell. There are 4 separate air chambers, so one hole leaves 3 chambers fully inflated. Of course you could slash it up with a sharp knife or burn holes in it with a cigar. Just exercise common sense. Minor damage is easily repaired.

"any of you guys use a electric trolling motor on them?"
No but I use a gasoline outboard with a similar power output, and it works really well.

"I am not much of a paddler."
Me neither, but the oars on my dinghy are mounted on pins that force you to row correctly.

"how big of a lake do you get on with these rubber rafts. "
I take mine out on the sea, no more than a half mile out, in good weather, it copes with force 2 or 3 with no problems. But PLEASE do not buy one of those cheap pool toy dinghies (the green thing shown above)! That is asking for trouble.

"how easy are they to move when fully inflated? "
I can pick it up and carry it about on top of my head, or between me and the wife when we have the outboard fitted.

"I have heard canoes are on the tippy side. "
Experienced paddlers will tell you otherwise, they will say that it is about skill level and conditions, but having owned and built more boats, dinghies, kayaks and dories than most, the simple rule is that the narrower the boat in proportion to it's length, then generally the more tippy it is. So a narrow round bottomed canoe is more tippy than a wide flat bottomed dinghy.

"I am thinking about buying my self one."
Do it! Consider it an early Christmas present from me, that you are paying for yourself. You can thank me later! ;)
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Postby BigAl » Mon Sep 05, 2011 2:24 pm

Hi Slow, I don't live in the US, and I only visit once a year, so my experiences of shopping there are limited to Cabelas and Gander Mountain in WI. Both of which do not have stores in Wyoming.

However this Amazon Search turned up a few likely candidates.

My advice would be to buy one with the Aerodeck (sometimes called Air Mat) floor. They are more expensive but fold down to a smaller package. A dinghy with a ply or aluminium floor will require more room.

They are not cheap at around $800. Strangely my initial search came back as about double the price than you can buy them here in the UK. I paid £350 for mine, that's around $500. Anybody who knows anything about UK prices compared to US prices knows that you guys typically pay half of what we pay for everything. So I suspect that you can get a much better deal if you shop around.

I'd bring you one over when we are next in Milwaukee at Christmas, but I expect it would put us over our baggage allowance. :)
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Postby Pete S » Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:07 pm

Slow I wonder if you could find one of these on the used market: http://www.hobiecat.com/kayaks/mirage/i9s/ I like mine for fishing because you power it with your feet and steer with your left hand (leaving the other hand for casting). I made a fishing box out of a couple plastic crates with rod holders on the side and a spring loaded top.

They are really stable, OTHER people stand in them and fly fish. I may try that more next year. They handle wind and waves amazingly well. I've been on Lake Superior a couple times...
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Postby Wolfscout » Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:29 pm

It's end of the season and I picked up a Old Town canoe Saranac 14.6 XT from Sportsmans Warehouse because it's more than half the weight of my Gheenoe that I been carrying on top of the car when I go camping. The price was cut to $399 from 799. http://www.oldtowncanoe.com/canoes/generalFamily/saranac_146xt.html

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I think I got a good deal. Just have to make a canoe motor mount to hold my old trolling motor to cut down on my paddling and off I go.
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Postby Galen » Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:32 pm

I really like a Dory. They will handle some waves, are fairly stable, and will take a bit of weight. The Devlin Dory I made a number of years ago easily held me and my wife, a lunch cooler, and would row along at a fast clip. It was about 90lbs, not small, but just light enough for us both to lift it over our heads and on the van when traveling.

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Anyone who can build a teardrop can build one of these Sam Devlin Oarlings. There are also a number of plans available for shorter dory style boats from other designers.
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Postby Pete S » Fri Nov 11, 2011 5:06 pm

We joined the rubber raft brigade this year. We chose a Mercury 340 (11'2") cuz we could get a deal. I hang the 15hp from my 14' fishing boat on the back and it zooms pretty good! We've had that on Lake Superior and Lake Michigan...

I did try it with my little 3hp and it didn't work real well. It sure wouldn't plane and the wind could have it way with it. I'll bet it would work fine with a 7 or 9 footer though. Those are relatively cheap on the used market around here...

It does kind of look like a marina around here... ;D
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Postby BigAl » Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:02 am

slowcowboy wrote:main thing for me till the recesson gets over is the cost of all the great ideas on here.


That is *so* true, boating is ridiculously expensive. I recently had to spend $25 on a pack of TWO stainless steel bolts for my outboard steering system, and I only needed one of them. I bet titanium bolts for a Boeing don't cost $25. Yamaha, you suck!

My wife tells me I still sit bolt upright in bed in the middle of the night, and shout "TWENTY FIVE BUCKS!!!"

Seriously it is expensive and that's what makes those pool toys look feasible, but those things give me the shivers.

Galen's dory is beautiful (well done Sir!) and could be built relatively cheaply with hand tools and from easy to source materials.

The benefits are that it:
* is a good design, stable due to it's flat bottom and hard chines, used by commercial fishermen for centuries.
* can be built in phases, so the cost is spread over time.
* building it yourself assures quality and you know intimately how to fix it.
* should be less of a wind-catcher than your jon due to it's narrower cross section.
* relatively easy to build, particularly to somebody who has built a teardrop.

There are quite a few free dory plans on the internet, here are a few of them:

Row and Sail Dory

9 foot Mini Dory

14 footer with detailed building guide

Aussie Dory

I'm putting one on my 'projects' list for 2012.
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Postby StandUpGuy » Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:36 am

Slowcowboy,

How about a take apart pram? The pram is the easiest boat to build and the cheapest as the length is such can be done with a single sheet of ply. The downside of a pram is it is not the most smooth at cutting water but then again neither is a jon boat. The two part type prams can fit in the trunk of a full size car or the bed of a shorty pick up.

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Postby stumphugger » Sat Nov 12, 2011 9:40 am

If you are concerned about wind on the lakes, nothing beats the low profile of a kayak. I paddle with a former canoe guy and he has pointed out many times that we would be ashore if we were in a canoe. Of course, usually at those times, I am wishing I was ashore.
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Postby StandUpGuy » Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:47 pm

I was thinking of building something like this next year:

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Postby StandUpGuy » Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:39 am

Would you be keeping your jon boat if you had one of these nesting prams? If not you could sell the jon boat to buy the building materials. I have been selling things to pay for my trailer build. That is the only way I could justify it.
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Postby BigAl » Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:07 am

Having built, sailed and rowed a pram dinghy. Actually a Mirror dinghy, I would agree that they are an excellent design.

If you built any boat from ply and want it to last, use Marine grade ply and marine epoxy not polyester resin.
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Postby StandUpGuy » Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:39 pm

There are free dinghy plans out there but not the exact ones that I have pictures for and not take apart types but it is easy enough to make them take apart. Search "free dinghy plans" and you will find something.
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