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Postby LDK » Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:02 pm

Corwin C wrote:I have a difficult time NOT believing that there is other life out there, but at the same time I'm skeptical that anyone is "visiting" us ...

Everything that you can see without magnification (except for the Andromeda Galaxy and the two Magellanic Clouds) is within our own milky way galaxy. And there is a great deal of stuff in our galaxy that we can't see. Literally billions upon billions of stars, planets, moons, comets, asteroids, black holes, quasars, pulsars, etc.

This is a portion of an image that astronomers took with the Hubble telescope, intentionally looking at a portion of the sky that (they thought) had very little in it near the big dipper. It covers an area 2.5 arc-seconds (2.5/3600 of a degree or roughly a tennis ball at 100 yards away)

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Every spot on that image (except for three, if I remember my facts correctly) represents a "duplication" of everything in our galaxy. Galaxies upon galaxies and this is a tiny portion of the sky. (How many tennis balls at 100 yards away would it take to make a sphere all around you?) The experiment was repeated looking south with an even more dramatic image. (I strongly suggest a Google search of "Hubble Deep Field" and "Hubble Ultra Deep Field") Even if we are the product of chance (which I don't believe) the likelihood of us being alone are so remote and minuscule that it defies imagination.

Now, considering the time and distance that they would have to travel to visit us, even if they are in our galaxy, they would have to be so technologically advanced that we would appear like no more than ants or even germs do to us in the grand scheme of things. Why would they hide? Do you hide your presence from the ants in the backyard or the germs on your kitchen floor? I think that if they were in the neighborhood we would all know it, and there would be no doubt whatsoever.

It's all an interesting thought ... I've seen some wild things in the sky that I haven't been able to explain, but I doubt that they were of alien origin. That doesn't mean it's impossible, just unlikely. I try to keep an open mind. After all ... we could end up in some giant "ant farm" someday or even worse, under the nozzle of some galactic "Lysol."


Here is a video on the hubble ultra deep field. I posted this video awhile back.
http://youtu.be/oAVjF_7ensg

There has to be other life out there. It would be a waste of space if there wasn't.
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Postby GPW » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:28 am

The vast numbers sure do up the odds huh .... Are they smarter ? If they found their way here they probably are... :roll:

Been looking since ... Nothing !!!

Further thinking on this subject makes me consider high performance military jets , flying Very high ,and what might have looked like lights was merely the reflected rising Sun, so as they turned , the reflective surface was lost ... Plausible !!! More palatable to my small pea brain ... :oops:
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Postby eamarquardt » Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:16 am

If we can build aircraft that can't be seen on radar, I think that space aliens (to differentiated them from illegal aliens) should be able to. If they are advanced enough to get from one solar system to another they are probably capable of being "invisible" to our eyes.

I think Stephen Hawking has it right. If they come it ain't gonna be good for the human race. They will probably kick our butts and take whatever they want from an "inferior race" unworthy of preservation.

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Postby GPW » Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:11 pm

Quote : “ I think Stephen Hawking has it right. If they come it ain't gonna be good for the human race. They will probably kick our butts and take whatever they want from an "inferior race" unworthy of preservation. “


Not to worry Gus , the Bankers on Wall Street have already done that to us .... :twisted:
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Postby wagondude » Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:49 pm

I saw something camping with our scout troop one night. I and two other adults were up stargazing. We were watching to see if we could see the ISS or any satalites go by. We saw one moving across the sky, it became very bright for just about a second then went very dim (almost invisible). The next morning, I told our Scoutmaster (he is an amature astronomer) what we saw. He explained that some satalites have odd shapes and flat sides and corners reflect light differently as it rotates in orbit. When it got bright a flat side was probably toward us and when it went dark, a corner had rotated toward us. Made sense to me.

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Postby eamarquardt » Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:32 pm

GPW wrote:Quote : “ I think Stephen Hawking has it right. If they come it ain't gonna be good for the human race. They will probably kick our butts and take whatever they want from an "inferior race" unworthy of preservation. “


Not to worry Gus , the Bankers on Wall Street have already done that to us .... :twisted:


I have lost more via Wall Street more than most (in all likelyhood). However, life is simply not without risk.

If you don't get in way over your head, your risk of drowning goes way down.

My head is still above water in spite of the fact I "retired" 9 years ago at age 51 due to illness and AT&T cheated me out of the disability pay I was promised, worked for, legitimately deserved, etc. We're gonna "tell it to de judge, soon"!!!!

Ferenc Mate said it well in his book "From a Bare Hull". "One can't be an innocent bystander when using a table saw (or any power tool)". The same applies to one's finances.

One must look after their fingers and finances.

More "World According to Gus".

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Postby Corwin C » Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:01 pm

wagondude wrote:I saw something camping with our scout troop one night. I and two other adults were up stargazing. We were watching to see if we could see the ISS or any satalites go by. We saw one moving across the sky, it became very bright for just about a second then went very dim (almost invisible). The next morning, I told our Scoutmaster (he is an amature astronomer) what we saw. He explained that some satalites have odd shapes and flat sides and corners reflect light differently as it rotates in orbit. When it got bright a flat side was probably toward us and when it went dark, a corner had rotated toward us. Made sense to me.

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You probably saw an "Iridium Flare." The Iridium Satellite phone company has an elaborate "constellation" of satellites in a polar orbit (North-South). The satellites have a large polished aluminum rectangle for an antenna which can act as a mirror and reflect sunlight across the ground as it moves across the sky. They can be VERY bright and usually only last a few seconds. I have actually seen them during the day as well. If anyone is interested, I use the Heavens-Abovewebsite to predict these occurances (and many others.) It's free to register and you will need the Lat/Lon of your viewing location for it to work effectively. I also use this site if I see something to go back and try to figure out what it was.
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Postby GPW » Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:09 am

I’m pretty sure what I saw was from here .... they weren’t towing a cow or anything .... :lol:
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Postby Miriam C. » Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:45 am

eamarquardt wrote:If we can build aircraft that can't be seen on radar, I think that space aliens (to differentiated them from illegal aliens) should be able to. If they are advanced enough to get from one solar system to another they are probably capable of being "invisible" to our eyes.

I think Stephen Hawking has it right. If they come it ain't gonna be good for the human race. They will probably kick our butts and take whatever they want from an "inferior race" unworthy of preservation.

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:thumbdown: Hawking "ass U me s" they are like us! This is how wars start! Why is it the supposedly ultra intelligent assume stuff!
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Postby eamarquardt » Sat Oct 08, 2011 12:49 pm

Miriam C. wrote:
eamarquardt wrote:If we can build aircraft that can't be seen on radar, I think that space aliens (to differentiated them from illegal aliens) should be able to. If they are advanced enough to get from one solar system to another they are probably capable of being "invisible" to our eyes.

I think Stephen Hawking has it right. If they come it ain't gonna be good for the human race. They will probably kick our butts and take whatever they want from an "inferior race" unworthy of preservation.

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:thumbdown: Hawking is ass U me s they are like us! This is how wars start! Why is it the supposedly ultra intelligent assume stuff!


You're elitism is showing!

Apparently you haven't seen the "historical document" (as defined in the movie "Galaxy Quest"):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Serve_M ... light_Zone)

I have the deepest respect for SH's mind and his ability to overcome ALS (having see ALS in action first hand).

I also think he's absolutely right: "that there is no reason to be afraid of the dark".

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Postby Miriam C. » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:45 pm

:o I am saying the aliens will probably not be on a mission to kick butts and pick fights. They might just as easily be into Peace making. To assume that an unknown life would be here to fight is what causes most of human kinds problems.

Theory is the domain of those who think they know stuff that is not fact!

It's that picking a fight issue that makes you call me names.... ;)
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Postby GPW » Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:59 pm

One would assume that if they’re smart enough to get here , they’d have already worked through all that stuff that has plagued our planet for many thousands of years ... Aggression and Greed ...

Maybe they’ll be like the Vulcans and actually want to help us clean up the mess we’ve made here... getting rid of Politicians , the monetary system , and especially Wall Street Bankers ... :thumbsup:


One might think that as smart as SH is , he might have a negative view on life due to his affliction ... pretty hard to be positive when you’re an intelligent vegetable ... Sad really !!! :(
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Postby eamarquardt » Sat Oct 08, 2011 5:10 pm

Miriam C. wrote:Why is it the supposedly ultra intelligent assume stuff!


I think that counts as "name calling". You seem to have "started it".

Miriam C. wrote::o I am saying the aliens will probably not be on a mission to kick butts and pick fights. They might just as easily be into Peace making. To assume that an unknown life would be here to fight is what causes most of human kinds problems. It was just a thought, nothing to get excited about. Hollywood, however, makes a lot of money off of the "invasion" premise.

Theory is the domain of those who think they know stuff that is not fact! Yes but one usually needs a "place to start" (usually called a hypothesis) before one can sort out all the facts. It's called "the scientific method". Kinda like religious theory. It helps sort out the facts.

It's that picking a fight issue that makes you call me names.... ;) Just seems like you're awfully critical/intolerant of views you don't agree with (even where there are no facts to support either view).


I don't think you'll find a group of people more opposed to war than those that are called upon to fight in wars not of their making.

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Postby eamarquardt » Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:19 pm

GPW wrote:One would assume that if they’re smart enough to get here , they’d have already worked through all that stuff that has plagued our planet for many thousands of years ... Aggression and Greed ... Perhaps, perhaps not.

Maybe/maybe not they’ll be like the Vulcans and actually want/or not to help us clean up the mess we’ve made here... getting rid of Politicians , the monetary system , and especially Wall Street Bankers ... :thumbsup: There's something worth considering.

All things considered, I don't think we have much to worry about from space aliens (but I am concerned about other illegal aliens).

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One might think that as smart as SH is , he might have a negative view on life due to his affliction ... pretty hard to be positive when you’re an intelligent vegetable ... Sad really !!! : Maybe, since he's not distracted by being able to move, he's spent more time thinking about things. I think, based upon first hand experience, being chronically ill does cause one to reflect a bit more. I also believe that folks that haven't experienced a prolonged serious illness are prone to discount the thoughts of those that have and attribute them to the illness. From what I've read I think his attitude is pretty darned good. I have nothing but respect for his ability to overcome the disease that killed my father.
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Postby PanelDeland » Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:29 pm

If we were an experiment and turned out this way,they may not have tried another.....
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