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Postby ssrjim » Thu Nov 03, 2011 10:03 pm

You want to see good photographers check out this photo sharing site:

http://500px.com/
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Postby mikeschn » Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:48 pm

I'm not a pro, heck, I'm not even an amateur. But if your daughter is a student, why not get an amateur level camera with lens kit? I'm thinking the Canon Digital Rebel T3i.

It's seems to be a good base to build upon. Get the required lenses as you need them. And if she goes pro, drop the amateur body and get a pro body. Some of the lenses are keepers between the two bodies.

Yea, the lenses are a killer, most costing more than the body. But as a student, you gotta improvise. ;)

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P.S. Yea I'm in the market for an EF-S lens, something in the neighborhood of 18-55mm or 18-85mm. f3.5-f5.6
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Postby cuyeda » Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:52 pm

mikeschn wrote: ...snip...
Mike...
P.S. Yea I'm in the market for an EF-S lens, something in the neighborhood of 18-55mm or 18-85mm. f3.5-f5.6
I chose the Canon T3i over the 60D because it was much lighter. My all around favorite lens is the 24-70, 2.8. I recently added the 17-55, 2.8 for a general walk around lens. The 10-22 mm is great for trailer interior shots!

I'm in the market for a good macro lens, and the 70-200, 2.8 has been on the wish list forever!.
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Postby mikeschn » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:54 am

Cliff,

I'm considering this 17-85 f/4-5.6

http://www.cameralabs.com/features/Cano ... age6.shtml

and that 70-200, f2.8 is outrageously expensive!!!

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/6 ... 8L_IS.html

Macro lens? I have this one...
http://www.cameralabs.com/lenses/Canon/ ... F_50_MACRO

Here's a review: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Revi ... eview.aspx

Mike...
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Re: Photographers Please Help

Postby mikeschn » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:26 am

robfisher wrote:
Now it's my turn to step up and we are on an extremely tight budget. What camera(s) and what computer/program will she need to do things marketable like weddings and portraits. She's thinking just on location shooting, no studio.

Any ideas?


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You can start wedding photography research here...
http://www.cameralabs.com/lenses/lens_b ... lens.shtml

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Postby bc toys » Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:32 am

If she uses Mac she can't use GIMP if she has a PC it is a great program to use. I got a canon S5is and it takes great photos for a starter student. I wish her the best.
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Postby cuyeda » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:18 am

I realize the original request for suggestions was camera/software. Every good photographer's next purchase is going to be a GOOD tripod!

Here is a photographers trick on a shoestring budget:

You substitute a light chain with the proper threaded eyelet screw on the bottom of the camera instead of the string.
A great trick when traveling if you don't want to carry a large tripod.

I could be wrong, but I don't think cdfnchico's recent trip pics were done without a tripod.

http://www.mikenchell.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=880322#880322

Ok we need a new thread in the off topic to show off your best photos. :lol:
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Postby ssrjim » Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:33 pm

bc toys wrote:If she uses Mac she can't use GIMP if she has a PC it is a great program to use. I got a canon S5is and it takes great photos for a starter student. I wish her the best.


There is a Mac version as well.

Linux as well as I recall.
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Postby Ratkity » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:14 pm

mikeschn wrote:Cliff,

I'm considering this 17-85 f/4-5.6

http://www.cameralabs.com/features/Cano ... age6.shtml

and that 70-200, f2.8 is outrageously expensive!!!

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/6 ... 8L_IS.html

Macro lens? I have this one...
http://www.cameralabs.com/lenses/Canon/ ... F_50_MACRO

Here's a review: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Revi ... eview.aspx

Mike...


I have the old 50mm macro from my Elan IIe. The price sure has dropped for it. OMGosh about the L lens! *faint at price*. In my old age, I've found I like the image stabilization of the kit lens when taking candid photos. I'm going to look into the 18-200mm. Nice reviews.

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Postby slumry » Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:35 pm

I have been following this forum for some time and decided to join so I could comment on this thread. One resource I would recommend if not sure about jumping in to professional photography is KEH at http://www.keh.com. This is the only place to buy used equipment. The prices are fair and they are honest to a fault. One thing to note is that when buy from them you will need to know what you are looking for. Old digital cameras are cheap and just about as good as anything sold today.

Also, wedding photographers should have two quality camera bodies, good low light lens and a good flash. Low light lens are the expensive ones. Wedding photographers also usually have a second shooter and a videographer. With the $500 Craig’s List wedding so common, skill and good people skills will not guarantee success. A lot of what is discussed on wedding photography forms is about contracts. Having a good contract that is understood by all parties seems to be difficult to accomplish. Also, you can get sued big time these days for messing up the wedding photos. It is not so farfetched that one can get sued for delivering a perfect product but for some reason it does not meet the expectations of Bridezilla.

Taking pictures of people will take good lighting technique and equipment; this is not something you pick up the skills for overnight.

Another approach is to try to break into stock or micro stock photography, if you are good and take care in what you do the work will sell, otherwise, it will tell you quickly how high the bar is. [url][/url]
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Postby Gaelen » Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:44 pm

In the "dating myself" category, I have always been an amateur photographer - but in college took several required journalism photo course where I used a couple different school rental manual cameras and learned both black/white and color photography (yeah - pre-digital, pre-memory cards. Darkrooms and everything.)

However, what I learned in those classes were the skills I needed to take a good shot with whatever equipment I had available. Sometimes, it's been a really nice digital DSLR (I'm a Nikon girl, although I've got a soft spot for those manual Pentak K1000s that I learned on.) Once, it was even a vintage Leica. More often, it was my old reliable Nikon CoolPix with a zoom - which is still the camera of choice I carry when I want better than phone quality but don't have room for bulk or weight...its smaller than a deck of cards. Last year, I treated myself to a bridge digital camera, a 14mp Fuji with an 18x zoom, which I love - perfect combo of light and fast with a long enough fixed lens to give me versatility in any lighting.

Would I love a DSLR? Yeah. But Sloan Kettering would like to get its payments, too. ;)

The reality is that a huge part of photography is knowing how to make a good shot, and knowing how to position yourself in the right place at the right time. I discovered yesterday that my NYC weekend rental apartment was just about 100 yards and around the corner from mile-marker #19 of the NYC Ing marathon. So I told a writer friend who covers marathons where I was, what equipment I had with me, and that if I could get any shots, I'd email him. I only had with me my Blackberry phone camera. I made not promises, wasn't sure I'd even be able to get into a good position.

Well, turn out precious few photographers were working the Spanish Harlem leg of the race, and NY's finest were very tolerant of bystanders moving alongside the race course. I happened to be in the right place at the right time, and even though it is a freakin' phone camera with no zoom, my friend can use over a dozen of the 20 shots I just sent him. I knew how to use the light, catch the action, frame the runners, and catch interesting color shots on the sidelines...all stuff I learned 30 years ago in photography class taking black and white photos. And with good digital photo software, he can clean up any small issues good enough for web publishing.

The knowledge to take a good shot takes practice until it becomes second nature, but a good shooting eye doesn't need good equipment to develop. Good equipment will extend your possibilities, but the shooting eye is the first priority.

There are three camera shops in my city, and all of them sell used equipment and lenses under some variation of warranty. I agree, it's great to start with the best equipment you can afford. But don't neglect that she'll also need to invest in the practice/learning situations that can help her develop her shooting eye, and that in this day and age, she needs digital photo software skills just as badly as good photographers 30 years ago needed solid darkroom skills. Don't neglect those student discounts on Photoshop - getting comfy with other variants of photo software can be valuable, but if she wants to be marketable, she needs to know the best software like the back of her hand.

And don't ever underestimate how important it can be to be able to apply your well-developed shooting eye at the right place and the right time. I just sold a dozen photographs, from an event I'd had no plans to cover, AND I can deduct my trip to NYC since I "worked." That's making what you love to do pay the bills. ;)

Best of luck to your daughter - it's good to have dreams and to have such a clear idea of what she wants to do.
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Postby Ratkity » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:13 pm

Gaelen wrote:In the "dating myself" category, I have always been an amateur photographer - but in college took several required journalism photo course where I used a couple different school rental manual cameras and learned both black/white and color photography (yeah - pre-digital, pre-memory cards. Darkrooms and everything.)

However, what I learned in those classes were the skills I needed to take a good shot with whatever equipment I had available. Sometimes, it's been a really nice digital DSLR (I'm a Nikon girl, although I've got a soft spot for those manual Pentak K1000s that I learned on.) Once, it was even a vintage Leica. More often, it was my old reliable Nikon CoolPix with a zoom - which is still the camera of choice I carry when I want better than phone quality but don't have room for bulk or weight...its smaller than a deck of cards. Last year, I treated myself to a bridge digital camera, a 14mp Fuji with an 18x zoom, which I love - perfect combo of light and fast with a long enough fixed lens to give me versatility in any lighting....snips.


OMGosh Gaelen, I took the BEST photos on a cross country trip with a bunch of nutty college students and professors in the summer of 1986 with a pentax K1000 (50mm and 135mm lenses). Most of the photography nuts with me called it the "scum of the earth" Pentax K1000, but it out-classed many of their cameras by not breaking at odd times, taking clear pictures and sometimes surprising the heck outta me at what it could do in low light. Yup, this was pre-memory card, pre-cd, pre- digital .. omgosh pre everything (ok, we had cassette tapes in the car and walkmans).

I also learned B&W photography working with a scanning electron microscope and developing lots of photos into the night.

When they came out, I got a great deal on a Canon T1i and have enjoyed it. I do look sadly at my Elan IIe. I gave away that old pentax years ago.

Thanks for the great memories! Congrats on the phone camera photos and perhaps one day you'll find a dslr that calls your name and will be able to get it.

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Postby GuitarPhotog » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:22 pm

Gaelen wrote:-snip-And don't ever underestimate how important it can be to be able to apply your well-developed shooting eye at the right place and the right time. I just sold a dozen photographs, from an event I'd had no plans to cover, AND I can deduct my trip to NYC since I "worked." That's making what you love to do pay the bills. ;)

Best of luck to your daughter - it's good to have dreams and to have such a clear idea of what she wants to do.


Be careful in deducting photo trip expenses off your income taxes. The IRS is more strict about photography and the distinction between hobby and business than any other occupation. Ask me how I know this :shock:

Slumry is right about wedding photographers needing 2 cameras and spare everything. You can't afford to fail on someone else's "most important day in their life."
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Postby Gaelen » Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:41 pm

Thanks for the heads-up, GuitarPhotog. I'm primarily a writer (not a photographer) and my freelance business is a combo where I'm paid to write but often provide my own photos. I just sort of lucked into the NYC marathon...but I did an interview with a fellow cancer patient on Saturday, and interviewed some marathon bystanders about the causes they supported - including various cancers, the topic of one of my columns. I'll have my own columns to point to as publications of my work effort, plus the column(s) where my friend uses photos I took. Publication has always been sufficient justification of expense in the past...although justifying research expenses where there's no immediate publication to point to can be very tricky, and is something I'm already careful about.

I'm very very careful about what I deduct...and actually percentage out what parts of my travel expenses are potentially deductible based on how much of my travel time I actually spend on work - not on the amount of expense or amount earned. Since my business has always been part-time, and until last year, was run in conjunction with a regular job, I've always been careful to turn a little bit of profit, even if it means reporting income and not taking some deductions others would try to get through. I had extra taxes deducted from my paychecks for years to cover in case I made too much money freelancing. And I try very hard not to deduct anything that might flip an IRS red flag...no meals, for instance, but mileage is fine. If a hotel or apt. rental is involved, or train/air fare, I only deduct a percentage equal to the percentage of time I actually worked. I try to play it straight...hopefully, that will continue to serve me in good stead.

I know all too well how we can learn the hard way the inequities of the tax code. In the mid-90s I ran afould of NYS sales tax, when they overestimated my dog training business income based on what I made at my real job. That was a nightmare I thought would never end.

Ratkitty, there's a lot to be said for manual cameras. Love my digitals, love the progress photography has made - but I've used some large format press cameras that were basically dependent on your ability to focus the thing and seldom malfunctioned. If there was an error, it was usually between the finger and the shutter. ;)

I also had a Mamiya 1000 DTL SLR for awhile...loved my rental K1000 but when I had to turn it back in to school, I found the Mamiya in a camera shop used camera case, along with a 28mm-55mm zoom and a 135mm fixed lens, at the right price. It was very similar to the Pentax K1000, so I bought it. Unfortunately, I lent it to my brother for awhile and it was stolen from his apartment.

At the time, digital was just getting started at the low end, sort of affordable. I decided to experiment with that with low-end cameras to see if I liked it or preferred film, and that led to a series of point-and-shoot digitals. I gave some of them away as I upgraded to newer models, but I still have the Nikon CoolPix 4600, because it's just bullet-proof reliable in a teeny tiny package, takes regular batteries and doesn't suck them dry like higher powered models. It's to a digital point and shoot like the reliability level of those K1000s. And I don't mind taking it shooting in less than ideal weather, where I might not want to risk a pricier camera. :thumbsup:

And yeah, I'm even old enough to remember community darkrooms, and once lived in an apartment house where we converted one tiny bathroom into a darkroom so we wouldn't have to pay darkroom fees.
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Postby cuyeda » Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:12 pm

FYI if you are considering a Canon brand, here are some rebates that just posted.

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