Question For The Canoe Folks

Things that don't fit anywhere else...

Postby Chris C » Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:12 pm

I first saw Dean's Redbird when I joined the site. Sure do envy him. I've always wanted a strip-built canoe. But heck, who has the time? I still haven't built the teardrop!!!!! :lol: Too many wishes, too little time.
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Postby Guest » Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:23 pm

Ira wrote:Dean, what would your recommendation be for an INEXPENSIVE mass-produced fiberglass/other canoe that can fit in an 8' long truck bed, and with gate down that means 10'?

Again, something inexpensive and light. Two-man.

Except it's for me and my younger son, which together weigh up and measure up to one normal man.

A Coleman?

Ira,
I have one of those green Coleman plastic tubs... That's how I wound up here.
In preperation for getting my kids ready for the Redbird, I went out and picked up a used Coleman. They love it, although it took a little coaxing to keep my daughter to stay put....
She wanted to swim alongside instead. (low 40's water temp)
I decided to take them canoe camping, so that meant... the three of us and all are camping gear needed to fit into the canoe.
Thus, the airbed for the tent was left at home.
Now... I went and scoped a place out with all this in mind and I found a lagoon up North a ways that had some very nice primitive campsites, accesable only by boat. These sites were nice... Double door steel bear proof grub boxes and very soft ground... (That's why the air bed was added to the list of items to be left behind)
Well, once we got there, I still had to make two trips across the lagoon to get all the gear over there. Hey, I don't go anywhere without at least a couple of items to cook my food on and no way do venture out without at least one barbeque/smoker...
Dinner was awesome... Slow smoke cooked baby back ribs, corn on the cob and salad.
Well, the kids were pretty tuckered out from all the water play that day, which included a trip over to the spit to dig up some aggets, so they were out like a light just after dinner.
I sat up for a while, did some star gazing, sat around the fire... thinking back to when I was a kid camping with my parents and comparing notes sort of, as to how good of a job I was doing as a parent, with the things my parents did with me as a kid... I thought I was doing a pretty darned good job. Before too long, Mr. Sandman came to see me, so I crawled into the tent to give that nice soft ground a try.
Hmmm... That ground sure seemed softer on my recon mission... Alas, I was tired and off to sleep I went. (Pre Teardrop Thought Filled Dozing Offs)
Stone lagoon is situated alongside highway 101 and Orick, the closest town, is a few miles to the North. Anytime the sherrif gets a call from the town of Orick, the deputy assigned to the North Watch is ussually 20-30 miles to the South.
Well, throughout that night, the town of Orick must've had three calls, because the cop car went by three times... Only car on the road at that time of night, but lights and sirens blasting away.
I'm a pretty sound sleeper, but the way the sound of that siren traveled accross the lagoon... OMG!!! It was almost like an amplifier!!!
CAN'T A DAD GET SOME SLEEP OUT HERE?!!!
Well, the kids slept right though all this and they were up before the birds, out chasing rabbets, squirrels and digging clams. I woke up at about 7:30 AM. (Felt like it was noon)
My head was aching with pain!
As I laid there, I started grumbling in my mind about those damned sirens!
I figured what the hey... I'll get up and make some coffee, that will help.
As I gathered my aching self together, to stand up... It hit me!
It wasn't the sirens... It was that "soft" ground!!!
My whole body was one big knot of pain, especially my back!!!
(And the kids are just at about the right age to get them involved in backpacking, right!!!!)
It was a very humbling moment!!!
Here I'd been telling the kids for years, Yeap... When you're old enough, I'm gonna take you guys backpacking to the most beautiful place on earth; The Devils Punchbowl... situated in the High Siskyous. One hell of a hike to get there, let alone nowdays most of the access roads heve been shut down, thanks in part to the environmental movement that the population South of us voted into existance!
The rest of that day was humbing for me... Not only being stiff, sore and stoved up, I was battling away in my mind with the backpacking thing with the kids... My parents took me there until they were darned near in their sixtys. I was only in my forties... Something wrong here!!!
Football and rodeo probably didn't help out none, in my case.
Back in the real world... At home, with a nice bed to sleep in...
I was plunking away at the 'puter one evening with Glen Smith, going over some Redbird issues and Glen sends me a PM... 'Check This Out...'
I opened up the message and there was a link he wanted me to look at.
The link was to Steve Frederick's pages on his strip built teardrop.
I took one look at that and my delima was put to rest!!!
My life was changed that night.
Now I'll be able to take the kids camping and sleep in a bed, A queen sized one at that.
All that cooking gear that just has to come along with me, will have it's place, plus I get to add a microwave and a sink to the mix... Even a hot shower!!!
No more fumbling around with tent poles at 10:00 at night.
No more packing to go camping.
Just put food and water in and you're away!!!
No more unpacking, putting stuff away, three weeks after you've returned form you camping trip, just un hitch it and tuck it away!!!

Oh, almost forgot... Yes, a Coleman canoe would do a great job for you and your boy. :thumbsup:
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Postby Classic Finn » Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:30 pm

Chris C wrote:I first saw Dean's Redbird when I joined the site. Sure do envy him. I've always wanted a strip-built canoe. But heck, who has the time? I still haven't built the teardrop!!!!! :lol: Too many wishes, too little time.


Chris

I really liked the style of the Redbird that Dean has... I was going to order
the plans and materials from the States or Canada... At the same time
having the teardrop still in progress so I sort of let the idea rest...and even having someone build it for us and then ship it here...But the price?
YIKES before its sitting in my yard... Outrageous.... Ok well then ...

The Teardrop fever really set in.... Now out of the blue comes this chance
to get a Redbird right in our own back yard sort of speak...and a completed one, and of course not as nice as Deans or..... but a nice canoe in any case....

So the teardrop is still number 1 on the list...Like many have said to build your own canoe is a challenge but once its complete and youve done the
work yourself the feeling is one of pride and joy...

I feel the same way with building the tear... A challenge for a 1st time builder.... :thumbsup:

but I just cant pass up this canoe though... so were heading to go get it
this coming week - even if its not our own build...Its somthing weve really
wanted for years...

I think it was Dean and Glen who I emailed back and forth with on this as well... So now the dream of our own is fulfilled... And hopefully soon the
tear will do the same...

My family together enjoying the same hobby...what a nice feeling...

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Postby Spadinator » Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:32 pm

Here are free Canoe plans If found.........

http://jemwatercraft.com/proddetail.php?prod=DKTour
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Postby Guest » Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:37 pm

Classic Finn wrote:of course not as nice as Deans or..... but a nice canoe in any case....
Classic Finn 8)

Heikki,
Yours is a FINISHED; Completed, Done, Built, Ready To Go, Put It In The Water!!!
Mine isn't done yet...
(Be lucky to have it ready by the 14th Dam Gathering 2007)
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Postby Classic Finn » Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:42 pm

Dean in Eureka, CA wrote:
Classic Finn wrote:of course not as nice as Deans or..... but a nice canoe in any case....
Classic Finn 8)

Heikki,
Yours is a FINISHED; Completed, Done, Built, Ready To Go, Put It In The Water!!!
Mine isn't done yet...
(Be lucky to have it ready by the 14th Dam Gathering 2007)



Dean

As you and Glen told me once - The feeling of building one yourself is far
greater than a ready made... but Happy regardless? - ohhh yes.

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Postby Bigwoods » Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:04 pm

Ira,

I canoe camp all the time. Love to go to the Boundary Waters Canoe Area in N. Minnesota. Dean was right about a plastic canoe or try to find an aluminum canoe. Thay are great to paddle around, need little care and last forever. I think it might be a bit more stable also. Anyway, give it a try and alway wear a life jacket.

I use a 17" Old Town Penobscot and if we are going on a trip would rent lightweight kevlar. My 17 footer weighs #65. A kevlar would be about #40, but very expensive.

If you find one drop me or Dean a line and we 'll tell you the safest way to haul it with a pick up.
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Postby Classic Finn » Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:47 am

Good Morning BigWoods...


What is the best way to haul a canoe in a pickup ?
Weve got 2 of the oldies.. :thinking: Brackets of some kind?
Here we have canoe and kayak trailers available but....this ol boy has the teardrop reserved for the back.. :lol: :lol:

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Postby asianflava » Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:09 am

A headache rack? (ladder rack)
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Postby Juneaudave » Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:56 am

Here's some shots of my Rice Lake Skiff (14 ft.) and Yellow Cedar Bob's Special (15 ft.)...both are BearMountain designs. I think Finn would be very happy with the Redbird.
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Postby Classic Finn » Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:02 am

Ooooooohhhh my :o :o :shock:
Yes I think the Classic Finn would be very happy with those.... :lol: :lol:

Very Nice...How long did it take you to build those nice boats?
Someday I,ll build a nice cedar strip canoe... If I can ever finish my trucks and teardrop... :lol: :lol:


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Postby Juneaudave » Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:28 am

I've been trying to build a project every winter...to get through those cold months. Each on took me about 6 months, doing a little bit in the evening after work, off and on. This winter's project was to be the teardrop, but it's been a little bit more expensive than I imagined for the stuff I want in it!!! I'll get it done...sooner or later!
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Postby Guest » Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:32 am

Dave,
The Rice Lake looks way nice!
Is that dyed mahogany on the bottom?
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Postby Bigwoods » Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:20 am

Finn,

You can build a rack in the back even with the roof line, metal or wood. The canoe is supported on the rack and on the roof. You need a roof rack for the cab roof or a low cost way is to use foam blocks under the gunnels of the canoe.

Another, maybe better way, if you have a hitch, is to build a "T" coming up from the hitch. A piece of pipe with a bolt to go through the hitch that will tighten down and support the top bar. If you rig it so the top bar will turn, it really help when you unload the canoe.


TIE DOWNS

When you tie down you are fighting lateral movement. You can run two ropes to the front of the truck and tie down that way. I prefer to take flat webbing, sew a 'D' ring on both end and bolt it to a fender bolt under the hood. You leave it on permantly. These are fed up and ropes can be tied to the sides. That way you do not have obstucted vision and it holds better.

The front needs two ropes or rachets, ropes at the racks, and I always tie down the the back also. You are trying to stop shifting. Sounds like a lot, but I can tie up a canoe in ten minutes.

Real important for you sanity---- If you are useing the flat webbing like with the rachet tie downs you have to put twist in them. If they are not twisted the will make a very high pitch sound that will drive you bats.

DO NOT TIE DIECTLY TO A FACTORY ROOF RACK!! For coushioning you can use the grey pipe insulation works well. If I tie to a roof rack on a SUV ot a goober mobil, I run ropes through the windows and through the interior. DO NOT depend on a factory rack to take the stress.
I will put in a coupla links to show what I an trying to say.

Good ideas here
[url]http://www.canoegear.com/catalog/home.php?cat=39[img]

Check Thule and Yakima for racks also. I usually get ideas and bild my own.

This is a store at the Bounday Waters Area. Pricey , but good stuff.

http://www.boundarywaterscatalog.com/browse.htm?id=81&step=2



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Postby Juneaudave » Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:20 am

Thanks...actually...its mahogany and Port Orford cedar above the yellow cedar accent strip and western red cedar below. I pretty much used whatever wood I had laying around that was leftover from other projects, so it has the heratage of a junk yard dog! The beauty of strip building, I guess. The bottom is painted with Interlux EZpoxy marine paint to match my daughters red tow vehicle (her choice). I would have left it natural, but in the end, I thought a painted bottom was more traditional for that style of boat. It's really an eye-popping color, probably more than I would have used if I hadn't built it for my daughter!
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