West Coast 6x10 V-Nose Conversion

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Re: West Coast 6x10 V-Nose Conversion

Postby BC_Explorer » Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:36 pm

Early this am, it was just above freezing (36 F.) I plugged in a small portable AC heater and at 7 minutes, the trailer interior was comfortably warm. At 13 minutes, it was uncomfortably warm and I had to unplug the heater. The trailer retained the heat well enough that I was able to work inside with just a light wind breaker on and did not have to turn the heater on again.

Today I am working on putting up the walls and will post again later tonight.
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Re: West Coast 6x10 V-Nose Conversion

Postby BC_Explorer » Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:07 pm

It's been awhile since I posted an update. I have finally got the interior walls up and still have the roof to finish. but I am holding off as I need to add another light or two but the placement depends on final layout of the cabinets, bed etc which is now my focus as I am planning on a camping trip in 3 weeks so I have a lot more work to do..

I had more photos but lost them when a memory card decided to go south...but the below gives a good idea of the work that has progressed since I last posted.

For the interior walls, I went with a paneling which has gloss melamine type finish coat on it, much like a whiteboard. Although the cost of paneling is more expensive then just a matte finish type of material, the end result is a much better product and is easily cleaned with just a damp cloth and Windex. I puchased the paneling from the local Home Depot and initially took their advice of using a fine tooth jig saw blade. The problem I encountered was that no matter how careful I was, the blade chewed up the white finish on the board. I resorted to using a razor knife and althought it is much slower, it is also much cleaner. And like cutting gyproc, once you are about half way through the material, it can be folded back and cut the rest of the way through very easily.
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One of the drawbacks of using this type of paneling is that the white finish is thin and when drilled through and screwed into, can leave some spidering that can spread over time when the the CT is subject to movement. In order to prevent this spidering, I used flat fender washers to spread the load weight and slight pinch of the screws. After I had completed one wall, the rows of bare silver screws and washers was distracing so I spray painted all of them with white laquer paint so that is blends in more. If I was to do this again, I would of used an enamel based paint as it is more durable when subject to the drill socket. In any case, I have since touched up most of the screws and washers where the paint was chipped off.
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Some interior photos. Although I like the look of the panels, it is subject to some slight rippling between the studs. If I were to do it all over again, I would go with 3/8" plywood then the paneling. That left front bottom corner panel is where the 110V comes into the trailer and which I wanted to leave somewhat accessible if there was ever a need to get to the wiring at the plug. Also that section will be covered so I am not too worried about the small gaps between the panel edges.
I have tried several methods to hide the seams of the panel edges where they meet. Although most will be hidden by cabinets, the bed etc, I still don't like the looks of them. I checked and visted several hardwarde and building supply stores but could not find anything I really liked then so resorted to trying seam tape and another type of white tape meant for sealing gaps however the very smoooth surface of the paneling does not provide much of a grip for the tape. I found that in each case even after applying the tape when both the tape and the interior walls were very warm (80F) that the tape would start to unstick after a few days of warm/cold cycles. The only solution that seems (no pun intended) to work is white caulking of which I don't really like but is acceptable.

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I still need to install the trim ring for the window which is going to a challenge as the window is made for a 3/8" wall but walls are nowhere near that depth. The trim ring when mounted and screwed in, also provides to hold the window in place and needs to be secured somehow. The original method from the factory was a crude cut out that went around the window frame then the trim ring went over top of this.
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Couple of more interior photos.
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Not sure what to with the doors. I may just prime then paint them white with a melamine based paint. I also need to close off that top channel above the door which is not going to easy as that steel channel is thick and not easy to drill...and yes I tried already.
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One of the 12V LED lights I mounted. This one is in the back of the trailer and right above where the bed will be. Although the light is not that bright as compared to incasadent bulbs, the white interior offsets this. On a related note, the white gloss interior does not take much light to brighten it up. Last night I tested the lights and found that the 2 overhead lights which are wired for the power through the CT>truck electrical plug, provides almost too much light even in when dark out.

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Re: West Coast 6x10 V-Nose Conversion

Postby 8ball_99 » Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:33 pm

Yikes I hope you have better luck with that stuff then I did. Did you install it straight to the studs or on top of plywood? I did my ceiling with that stuff to start with. I ended up pulling it all down and redoing it with some luan. The white finish chips easily. But my major issue with it was after a wet camping trip the stuff wrinkled up and got very wavy. It just looked really bad. It's pretty much cardboard with a coating on one side. Maybe you will have better luck with it. I bet I threw 10 sheets in the dumpster. I wasn't a happy camper. Frp is much better stuff. Cost twice as much but is bullet proof and is solid plastic.
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Re: West Coast 6x10 V-Nose Conversion

Postby BC_Explorer » Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:10 pm

I mounted the paneling to the studs which are also covered with sil plate gasket then sealed with tuck tape which will stop any moisture transfer. A couple of panels have been up for almost two weeks and with a lot of rain, warm sunny, days with cold night cycles, there has been no problems so far. As you can see in my previous posts, I have taken a lot of steps to prevent moisture transfer as I do live in the PNW which is well known for it's annual rainfall amount.

Also there are few different types of the paneling similar to the type I used. The cheaper paneling is thinner overall and the white finish is micro thin and very vulnerable to scratching which is why I did not use it despite it's much cheaper cost.

As for the FRP, here it is almost $60.00 per sheet as compared to the type I am using which at $32.00 is half the cost and adds up over 5 sheets so far with at least 2 more to purchase for the roof. Time will tell if this was the right decision...
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Re: West Coast 6x10 V-Nose Conversion

Postby 8ball_99 » Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:59 pm

Got you. Frp here is 32-39 and the stuff you used is around 15 bucks. The thin white board is like 9 bucks. I have 4 layers of insulation in my ceiling and 1/2 plywood slats screwed to the metal studs. I used foil tape to seal up the seams between the wood slats and the last layer of insulation between them. I didn't have an issue untill I loaded my UTV in the rain and made a 5 hour trip home with it parked inside. So maybe under normal use it will be fine. Didn't mean to sound like I was knocking your trailer just when I seen all that shower board it brought back bad memories. It was a lot of work to install it just to remove it a month later. :( not to mention even at only 15 bucks a sheet it wasn't a cheap goof
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Re: West Coast 6x10 V-Nose Conversion

Postby BC_Explorer » Wed May 02, 2012 6:11 am

@Bkcreation34:

For my trailer, the wiring is fairly simple (and not complete yet.) I went with 5 circuits of 12 volt wiring which will connect to a fuse block and common ground bar. There will also be a 750 watt inverter along with 2x 30 watt solar panels. For 120V, I will be using a simple system much like detailed here. As for outlet boxes, there will none on the walls as my 120V needs will be almost nonexistent which I have described in a previous post in my build thread.

It seems like you have a lot of good ideas for your trailer but one thing to keep in mind that as you start planning and measuring, the confines of a small 6x10 trailer will become real apparent. If I were to do it all over again (and now that I have a much more capable tow vehicle) I would of purchased a 7x12 V-Nose. 3500 LB rated single axle trailer. The extra 2 feet of length and 1 foot of extra width would make a significant difference in interior room and allow for more comprehensive design.

As for my camping destination, I will be headed to the interior of BC, Canada.
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Re: West Coast 6x10 V-Nose Conversion

Postby bc toys » Thu May 03, 2012 7:30 am

They are nice trailers but with a big price tag for I believe I can make mine with most of the same stuff for a hole lot less $$. Like looking at ever ones build post give me all kinds of ideals Thanks for posting pics guys.
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Re: West Coast 6x10 V-Nose Conversion

Postby 8ball_99 » Thu May 03, 2012 8:35 am

I've seen that video for elkmountain trailers before. Never knoticed the prices on the layout page though. They do seem pretty Dern high. It is a lot of time and labor to finish out a cargo. Also most people on here don't add everything an rv has. That also drives the cost up. I know I have a little over 12k in my trailer not counting my labor.
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Re: West Coast 6x10 V-Nose Conversion

Postby 8ball_99 » Thu May 03, 2012 9:43 am

Converting a cargo is still cheaper then buying a new camper. Now if you compare converting a cargo vs a used travel trailer then it can be a toss up. There are some pretty good deals on used campers. A lot of people just want to get out from under them so they are willing to take a big hit.. Same time though your getting a Used travel trailer. So everything from tires to a new rubber roof could be it that trailers not so distant future. I spent a little bit of money, But I have a nice, New trailer with all the conveniences of a factory travel trailer. But with the structure of a cargo trailer. I also used better materials to finish out the trailer then the junk factories use on trailers. Even with all that I still saved 7+ grand over a new trailer similar to mine.
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Re: West Coast 6x10 V-Nose Conversion

Postby crumvoc » Thu May 03, 2012 5:50 pm

I bought my windows, crank-out awning type windows, from Grant at lil Bear Tagalongs. He also carries sliders and other hardware.
http://www.lilbear.teardrops.net/parts4.html

Good prices, and Grant has been awesome to work with.

and now you have my $.02, FWIW
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Re: West Coast 6x10 V-Nose Conversion

Postby BC_Explorer » Thu May 03, 2012 5:55 pm

With my CT, I had the factory do the install of the 30"x22" egress window. The cost on this was $250.00. Also the window in side door was factory installed (can't recall the cost right now but it is documented in a previous thread here.) Having the factory install the windows was a much easier solution for me in terms of time and also I do not have all the right tools for the job. If I were to order another CT, I would not hesitate to have the factory do the window installs again.
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Re: West Coast 6x10 V-Nose Conversion

Postby BC_Explorer » Thu May 03, 2012 6:06 pm

Bkcreation34 wrote:That is very helpful and the prices are very reasonable as well. Those prices beat the other places I was looking at. When I was looking at the other sites for the windows I thought holy cow this is going to cost more then the trailer just for the windows. Thank you Thank you.

Also what are your thoughts on spray foam insulation for all the interior walls and ceiling and underneath of the trailer. Do you think that will help more then regular foam insulation.


There was a recent here in regards to regular foam vs spray foam insulation.
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Re: West Coast 6x10 V-Nose Conversion

Postby BC_Explorer » Thu May 03, 2012 6:19 pm

Bkcreation34 wrote:I agree with you I was thinking of ordering the trailer directly through Haulmark and have them add the things I want upfront. I was alittle shocked when I saw your photos of the factory wiring job that looked very messy what the factory did. What you did was night and day difference on looks and safety as well.


The factory wiring was a bit messy on this CT but not any more out of line of other manufacturers CT's I had seen when I spent a few months researching before purchasing.

I took the time to check and redo/fix all the wiring before I went to all the trouble of doing the insulation, walls etc as it would of been a major inconvenience months down the road if I had to trace a wiring fault or short.

Couple of tips if you order the Haulmark trailer. On the curbside signal/brake light, there is a white ground wire in behind the light inside the trailer. The screw on this wire was not tight and was cause for that light not to work at all. I only noticed this by happenstance when I was checking the lights after I cleaned up the wiring. Also if you get electric brakes ($220.00 option), check the wiring right at the axle. With my CT on the roadside axle, the electric brake wire runs very close to the bottom of the side wall paneling where it meets the floor deck and is close enough to make me nervous enough to move or at least zap strap the wire away from this spot.
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Re: West Coast 6x10 V-Nose Conversion

Postby 8ball_99 » Thu May 03, 2012 6:29 pm

Bkcreation34 wrote:That is very helpful and the prices are very reasonable as well. Those prices beat the other places I was looking at. When I was looking at the other sites for the windows I thought holy cow this is going to cost more then the trailer just for the windows. Thank you Thank you.

Also what are your thoughts on spray foam insulation for all the interior walls and ceiling and underneath of the trailer. Do you think that will help more then regular foam insulation.


Check here for windows window link My windows for both my trailers came from him.. 30x20 cost 99 dollars and 14x16 windows cost 65 dollars. Factory priced me about 260 each for windows. I was able to buy 2 large windows and one small window for almost the price of one from the factory. Installing them isn't that hard. You will need to be able to weld to frame out the windows. Other then that all you need is a jigsaw to cut the hole. A welding shop would probably weld in a couple of braces pretty cheap. Probably about 20 bucks worth of steel an a hour or so of time. One of the main reasons I waited and did mine myself is because I wasn't 100% sure where I wanted them. Once I decided on the lay out of the trailer I took a piece of luan that I cut the same shape of the window and taped it on the wall in different spots. This helped a lot because I sat in the trailer in the exact spot where I would be setting once it was all done and decided on placement that way. LoL the template got moved a few times so I'm sure if I had the factory do it my windows would not be where I wanted them now.
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Re: West Coast 6x10 V-Nose Conversion

Postby BC_Explorer » Sat May 05, 2012 6:59 pm

I am getting ready to install my ceiling but have a question first. How do most people install the ceiling panels, cross width or by running the long edge of the panels the length of the trailer?

For example, in the below drawing (not to scale,) there are 2 different methods I thought of using.

I like the first method better as the lines run the same way but there is more waste as each 8' panel (3 total) is cut by 2 feet to fit. This method would require 3 panels.

The second method uses one less panel (2 total) but has one line running lengthwise and the other line cross width at the back of the CT. The cost per panel is $52.00 so using one less panel is a factor.

Thoughts or suggestions?

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