The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:14 pm

Thank you for the reply.

So you see no problem with TB2 over the 30NF?

Ever try a destructive test, maybe pull a sample apart?

Did you have a problem with the 30NF that lead you to using the TB on top?

Just want to get this right with no bugaboos.

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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby linuxmanxxx » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:39 pm

The 30nf sticks to the foam gang busters but on occasion pulled up from the wood on the edges so I changed to adding the wood glue over it and improved that problem vastly. I just lap my side walls over the floor edge slap tb3 under it and secure it with the torqx deck screws all around and same with front and rear walls joined to sides. Then drop my roof in behind my curve glued and deck screwed as well. When I skin it completely over all the laps it is rock solid and strong. If you go wood to wood on all your edges, you can lap it and save bookoo time over using biskets and ripping and routing and help you get to your trip deadline faster.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby linuxmanxxx » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:43 pm

I have a core I cut from one of my floors for a vent hole and is only 5 mm. luan both sides and foam. You cannot pull it apart at all. That should give you an idea of the torsion strength the 30nf gives bonding to foam.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:12 am

Thank you, Linux. That's all very good firsthand experience speaking.

The biscuit joining actually goes very quickly, it's the operator who is slow due to affliction of trying to be meticulous (Is there a cure for that?).

I’m sure putting in my time, but I don’t want to rush to the point of compromising my vision. Oh sure, I’m open to better techniques and efficiency, but I’m past the point of redesigning structural joints.

I have several beater spray guns and one nice Binks 2000 (IIRC). I’m assuming that the glue sprays similar to the old automotive primers (?).
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby linuxmanxxx » Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:40 am

It sprays easy but can start clogging the tip when spraying a lot. Just rip the blob off the tip if it builds and it will spray good again. Just use the beaters and don't worry as you just need an even coat nothing fancy.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:01 pm

That's what I was thinking. Thanks again. :thumbsup:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby Wobbly Wheels » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:22 pm

...it's the operator who is slow due to affliction of trying to be meticulous (Is there a cure for that?).


KC, have you seen these glue bottles ?

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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:34 pm

Wobbly Wheels wrote:KC, have you seen these glue bottles ?

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Yes, if watching Norm Abram on New Yankee Workshop counts. I have not seen them in the big box stores (haven't looked, really), but every time I make a joint I kind of wish I had one. :lol:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby linuxmanxxx » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:49 pm

Harbor freight sells a glue bottle set
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby Wobbly Wheels » Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:38 pm

Hehe...that's exactly wha made me track one down. I wouldn't expect big box stores to have them, but any decent woodworking store will (I got mine at Lee Valley). Maybe ask where local cabinet shops get them since they do wear out in production work.

FYI, if you right-click on a pic and select "View Image Info`(Firefox, others similar), you'll see the link to the pic:
http://www.dilegnosupply.com/_images/Gl ... bottle.jpg
Looks like you can order them from dilegno for 2 or 3 bucks.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:29 pm

Thanks guys. I ordered the combo pack, biscuit slot and roller glue applicator from Peachtree found on Amazon here Peachtree Woodworking. $17 after shipping.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby GPW » Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:38 pm

In a pinch, one could heat the end of the glue spout and flatten it ... :roll:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Wed Jun 20, 2012 2:49 pm

I didn't have any trouble getting the glue into the slots with the std applicator tip, it just takes longer and tends to use a lot of glue (which, when it squeezes out during biscuit insertion, I use the chip brush to spread around the rest of the joint).

I think the slot applicator will give a much more even coat just where it is needed, resulting in less mess and more effecient (thrifty) use of the glue.

I wouldn't want to alter the std tip because I don't think it would seal the bottle up well after that, which I assume would let the glue dry and skin over (schmaybe?).

Or I could be totally wrong and it is an excellent thrifty idea. :thumbsup:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby GPW » Wed Jun 20, 2012 4:18 pm

No worries eh !!! Just add it to the budget !!!! :thumbsup: :lol:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:10 pm

Actually I have been keeping a separate tally for indirect expenses. Things like tools and consumables that I have purchased but wont necessarily be consumed just on this project. Things like sandpaper and glue are added to the camper list, but things like the chisel and saw, or the glue applicator go on the separate list. So when I give an update of the tally it's just what is going directly into the camper.

Here's a little something interesting. Bear with me, this is on Foamie/Cardboard topic. So a while back at work they ordered a modular office kit, complete with SIP walls (about 4 inches of EPS white bead foam laminated with some sort of smooth skinned paper board...or maybe gypsum...will take a closer look tomorrow), corrugated steel roof decking, glass windows and steel entry door. The whole thing arrived stacked on a big double size pallet and sat in a pile on the shop floor for a good long time. Well two days after I ordered my XPS foam they decided to install the office and started relocating the pieces. After everything was moved out the materials used to protect everything in transit were left behind. There were 4 pieces of 4x8 x 1/2 thk EPS; several smaller pieces of triple wall corrugated brown cardboard; this honey comb like 1 inch thk cardboard, maybe 1 at 4x8 and a couple at 2 or 4 x 4; and some 1/2 inch particle board. They wanted to keep the wood, but the rest was up for grabs. I had the scrap guy (low guy on the shop totem pole who does general cleanup and small odd jobs) stash it for me to pick up later.
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Not sure what I'll do with it, but it gives me some options.

As my mother likes to say, the weather is 3H, Hot, Hazy and Humid for the next 3 days at least. Yuck. But work on I must.

Out at Mecca Karl and I set the floor frame down on saw horses and I got set up to glue in the centerline blocking.
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The rope is set up to be a tourniquet like clamp.

During the glue up we used pipe clamps at each segment alternating on each side of the centerline, but they could only be used minimally because they would try to twist the xmbrs, and they were heavy, putting a little sag in the frame. So once I got all of the blocks in place we cinched up the rope, pulled the pipe clamps off, and repositioned the sawhorses from the ends into the middle some to even out the weight balance and bring the frame back flat again. Used the green spring clamps to hold the rope back on itself. Worked just fine.
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Here's a closeup shot of the clamped rope.
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And one more of the frame.
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While the glue was setting we went and finished sorting out the plywood inventory. Collected up and labeled everything. I really appreciate all the work that Rover Mike did for me, the accuracy and quality of the cuts, as well as the time that it saved me. That being said, there were some issues.

It appears that the 4 skins for either side of the two under galley counter dividers were cut short at 24 x 19 instead of the called out 28 x 19. No big deal there is more than enough drop material to either recut these pieces (although the grain will be running horizontal instead of the preferred vertical), or I can butt up a filler piece (it will be more or less hidden under the counter so that is not a big deal either).

My biggest concern right now is that the two galley side wall skins are missing. They are checked off on the layout sheets, as if they had been cut, and the other pieces from those layouts are here, so I am wondering if they just got left behind in Mike's shop and didn't make it onto the skid. I'll drop Mike a line and inquire post haste.

I may have mentioned this before, but there were 2 of the cut layouts that repeated twice, and Mike only did them once, leaving me two uncut sheets. We decided that I could cut those as needed, and it would also give me a little wiggle room if something wasn't quite right.

So, since one of those layouts included one of the floor panels, that's what we did next. And here's where I got a whole new appreciation for what Mike had got done for me. Karl and I were like Abbott and Costello fumbling thru. Almost screwed up royally. After we cut the sheet across we made the second cut on the wrong section! It worked out okay because we could still get both parts out of the two big pieces, but we had to make more cuts and ended up with more smaller drops. Funny, but not so much.

Anyway, that was enough for the night (after 8pm). I tucked all of the plywood back under the sheets, put up the tools and did a little sweep up. Karl said he didn't mind standing the frame back up out of the way in the morning after the glue had a good long while to set, so we left it at that.
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