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Postby Reddiver » Wed Oct 03, 2012 3:51 pm

Gas has gone up 40 to 50 cents because refineries are shut down because of us having some "hot " weather...You know I am quite sure that refineries run through out the year in Arab countries but ours are shut down because it's to hot!! I am calling BULLSHIT!!!!!! :x :x :x
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Re: GAS

Postby GPW » Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:10 pm

Cowboy , be Glad you don’t live in Europe .... and have to buy Gas... :o
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Re: GAS

Postby Shadow Catcher » Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:11 pm

As with most things this is a complex problem. I worked a number of years in in the BP refinery (inspection/NDT) in Oregon Ohio and in various refineries during shutdowns. Typically there are spring and fall shut downs for major repair and replacement, on top of this was the shutdowns on the gulf coast due to hurricane. There is currently a glut of oil due to higher domestic production and lower demand, one interesting side effect of economy (gas cost and poor employment) is a reduction of fatalities in teens in our area due to less driving.
Another factor is between $7 and $10 dollars per tank of gas is as a result of speculators, thank you Wall Street. And just because they can, thank you Koach brothers et. el. (one of the jobs I did was in a Koach refinery). I am sure I have missed a few and BTW the US had the hottest summer in recorded history and a sailboat made the polar passage, lack of polar ice cap may mean a VERY snowy winter.
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Re: GAS

Postby satch » Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:20 pm

slowcowboy wrote:

JUST REMMBER WHEN YOU PUT THAT 3.91 A GALLON IN YOUR CAR WHO YOU ARE VOTING FOR IN NOVEMBER

Being out here in Cali, I'd kill to get $3.91 a gallon
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Re: GAS

Postby GPW » Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:58 am

QUOTE: “ you see in europe they can pay that high gas as they are all working on jobs with a income of greater than blue sky coming in every month. “ ...
Cowboy , maybe you should leave the farm sometimes ... :roll:
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Re: GAS

Postby WesGrimes » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:08 am

Nothing proves a point like caps lock and extra exlamation points.
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Re: GAS

Postby Woodbutcher » Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:29 am

Slow can get very animated in his argument about gas prices. But few of us on this board are in his position. He is right, most here have an income. Some have jobs, some pensions and others get government assistance of some kind. Few of us have to survive on just what we can scratch out using our own wit and a strong back. When you don't have much and gas has doubled in the last four years a man gets angry. He does not care what the cause is.The fact is his ability to move around and enjoy life is effected. I had the pleasure to travel to Wyoming this summer. It is a big beautiful state that is very spread out. From the camp ground to town was 24 miles. You think about what you need before taking that trip into town. My TV gets 12 miles to the gallon on a good day. So just to run to town and back cost 15 bucks. Yes I could pay it. Did I like it? No. When you add up all the things we have to pay for that have gone up it makes a big difference. But most of us can absorb the increases with some belt tightening. For Slow the belt is around his neck, with little left. I met the man. He is as genuine as he appears in his posts. All he wants is the same thing the rest of us do. He unfortunately lives in an area with few opportunities and those that were there have been decimated by our current economy. I wish him well and I to will ride my horse to vote. But I live in the city so my horse will cost me to drive to the polling place.

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Re: GAS

Postby pete42 » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:00 am

Gasoline prices
Date Belgium France Germany Italy Netherlands UK US
9/17/12 8.56 7.89 8.46 9.32 9.06 8.58 4.15

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Re: GAS

Postby Oldragbaggers » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:16 am

Beautifully and eloquently said, Steve.

My daughter is a single mother of 2 in California with a disability. She has no disability income at present because she is in a remission. You can't go on permanent disability if your disease is relapsing and remitting (not that she would want to, because she enjoys working and feels a strong sense of responsibility to do so whenever her health permits). She has no job right now because she hasn't been able to find one since going into remission. She gets a small child support check, does some babysitting for friends when she can and has help from us. Meanwhile there's hardly a day go by that she doesn't turn in resumes, fill out applications, follow up on potential jobs or have interviews. Up until 3 years ago when she became ill she had always worked, had a very promising career. Even as a kid she had a real entrepreneurial spirit. This girl is no slouch, does not want anyone to support her, does not want government assistance, does not want to sit home on her behind, and even hates taking assistance from us but does so because of her children.

But living in California where it is difficult for even couples with two incomes to make ends meet, to say she struggles is putting it mildly. Unfortunately, her court ordered custody arrangements with the children's father and the fact that her particular disease dictates she live in a warm climate. (Cold kicks off her symptoms. A good cold snap can end her remission in a flash) Leaving California to look for work elsewhere is not an option for her. Coming to live with us in the cold northeast is not an option for her.

So she struggles. When you don't know how you're going to feed two kids, paying over $4 a gallon for gas in a place where you can hardly do anything without getting on an expressway is a hell of a big deal. She's a college educated girl with a great work history and excellent references, and she is constantly looking, so the seriousness of the shortage of jobs in this country cannot be overstated. Once upon a time, because of her great work history and references, she would have had a good job in a matter of days. Now it's been months. And no gas, no job interviews. No phone, no job interviews. No money, none of either.

It's not easy for people who have a job or some other reliable source of income (and on this board I would say for most of us even expendable cash, or play money, to build teardrops and travel and camp and play and invest in vintage camping gear, and whatever other hobbies we have) to relate to the idea of not knowing literally where the grocery money is coming from this week. And not everyone has family to help, maybe don't particularly qualify for any government assistance program (or maybe don't want to use them even if they did) and have overwhelming responsibilities and obstacles to overcome. No money is no money. You can't get blood out of a turnip.

It's also easy, when you lack that basic life experience and point of reference, to be flip and make it sound so easy to deal with it. I sense and can understand Slow's pain and frustration. I see he is a man with a good heart, an amazing work ethic, a lot of drive and a refusal to give up. I don't think he needs to get off the ranch more. The ranch needs men like Slow. Even if he doesn't understand every nuance of the global economy, there's no denying that he's speaking from his own experience and that's to be respected.

I don't experience this struggle in my own life and I thank God every day that he has blessed us with the resources, not only for us, but that make us able to help our daughter and grandchildren through this difficult time. But I understand it on an intimate level, and my heart goes out to everyone who is struggling and with no idea how or when things might improve. My prayers are that change is coming and there is some end in sight for the difficulties being encountered every single day by so many.
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Re: GAS

Postby legojenn » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:35 am

The rants about prices are okay, but the politics are not cool. It's not like these spikes are tied to one politician. Gas spiked with your last president and it spiked with this president. Prices jumped after the first Iraq war and there were jumps in the 1970s which happened under different leaders. Prices are controlled by an world-wide economy and no individual, however powerful can change things all that much. Using a rant about a legitimate issue like the cost of energy to advocate for or against a politician serves only a negative purpose on a forum like this.
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Re: GAS

Postby jstrubberg » Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:09 am

Gas price spikes have very little to do with who is "in charge".

My first advice would be, if you don't like the high gas prices, MOVE!

I paid $3.59 this morning. Gas hasn't gone up around here in the last few months. Matter of fact, it dropped 10 cents week before last.

There are other places in the US besides California.
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Re: GAS

Postby Mojave Bob » Thu Oct 04, 2012 10:44 am

+1 to Steve.

I admit that sometimes I read Slow's posts, and think, "Here we go again." But, I am gainfully employed, and I have options that have allowed me to shrug off most of the effects of the current economy. That is a blessing that Slow does not currently have. He is in a tough spot, and I, for one, think I can handle an occasional vent from him. Those of you who criticize his willingness to work, I suggest you drive your little ol' self out to Wyoming, and spend a day with him loading semis. His work ethic will bust your hump. With an aging dad, he also feels a responsibility to stay on the ranch. I commend him that, although it comes at a price.

Whichever way your politics lean, we are nonetheless in a mess in this country, and we need things to change. I know of lots of people - smart folks with a good work ethic, who try and try, but remain unemployed or severely underemployed. And, on top of all that, as Slow has correctly pointed out, many of the jobs that are available are only open to people who already have a job. The unemployed need not apply. I understand the reason for that, but for crying out loud, that is just plain hard on guys like Slow.

And, Slow, I've gotta say this -- of all the people on this forum, you are the one I most want to meet. Stay strong, brother.
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Re: GAS

Postby Oldragbaggers » Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:50 am

jstrubberg wrote:Gas price spikes have very little to do with who is "in charge".

My first advice would be, if you don't like the high gas prices, MOVE!

I paid $3.59 this morning. Gas hasn't gone up around here in the last few months. Matter of fact, it dropped 10 cents week before last.

There are other places in the US besides California.


I guess you missed reading THIS part......

Unfortunately, her court ordered custody arrangements with the children's father and the fact that her particular disease dictates she live in a warm climate. (Cold kicks off her symptoms. A good cold snap can end her remission in a flash) Leaving California to look for work elsewhere is not an option for her. Coming to live with us in the cold northeast is not an option for her.
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Re: GAS

Postby len19070 » Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:03 pm

Gas Prices going up for no good reason? Bullshit?? When did all this start??

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Re: GAS

Postby jstrubberg » Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:48 pm

Oldragbaggers wrote:
jstrubberg wrote:Gas price spikes have very little to do with who is "in charge".

My first advice would be, if you don't like the high gas prices, MOVE!

I paid $3.59 this morning. Gas hasn't gone up around here in the last few months. Matter of fact, it dropped 10 cents week before last.

There are other places in the US besides California.


I guess you missed reading THIS part......

Unfortunately, her court ordered custody arrangements with the children's father and the fact that her particular disease dictates she live in a warm climate. (Cold kicks off her symptoms. A good cold snap can end her remission in a flash) Leaving California to look for work elsewhere is not an option for her. Coming to live with us in the cold northeast is not an option for her.



You're right, Becky. I did miss that part.

There are warm places outside of California, but where I live isn't one of them.

Sorry for the oversight, I jumped isntead of reading carefully.
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