Anybody packin?

[eamarquardt]

Who would lie to a 6th grader? Bruce

It takes someone with a cold heart to lie to a 6th grader.

Perhaps we ought to petition for an exhumation just to put any doubts to rest.

We visited their in August. We couldn't tell for sure who was buried by just looking at the site.

Gus

[Larry C]

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Not in the Midwest, under my avatar it says where I'm from.
Thanks for the offer but I have no need to learn how to shoot a gun as I would never need one. I don't understand why anyone would need a gun as it's easier to discuss an issue with someone then shoot them.
Here in B.C everyone gets along and we help each other and respect one another. There's no drama, no fights with the neighbors, it's a very peaceful and safe place to live.
It's bad enough that I have to pack a cell phone let alone a gun [/quote]


"it's a very peaceful and safe place to live" Really!
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/07/10/canada-s-highway-of-tears-why-are-women-disappearing.html

[48Rob]

Larry,

Many people choose to believe that the world, or at least their corner of it is a safe and pleasant place.
Nothing wrong with that, we all want to live a quiet and peaceful life.
It is for those same reasons we hire police and fund our respective militaries.

For many/most of the population of a given area, crime, and the fear that comes with it, is rarely seen/felt.
It is understandable then that as a race, most of us wish/prefer to settle differences over a beer, or coffee, or in some other non violent manner.
This leads to most of us looking down on those "unauthorized" people who feel they need to be better prepared, just in case.
After all, the police take care of all the bad stuff...don't they? Dial 911 and you'll be "saved".

Peace, is what most civilizations strive for, and our authorized defenders do their best to keep the horrific, awful acts committed by the few rouges hidden away from "the public".
It is not done by the defenders to deceive, but rather because we the defendees prefer "not to know" (makes it easier to sleep at night).

While I am not for "vigilante" justice, having a citizen who has completed the proper training with a defense weapon, and who has the proper permits, and is willing to defend his family and or a stranger on the street who is being attacked is not a bad thing in my book.

Some people choose to hide behind often mistaken beliefs, some take the painful path of realization of truth, and act on it.
Neither one is completely wrong, as we live in a free country... and when, if, some awful thing ever results in the need for self defense, the result of being prepared, or choosing to believe it will never happen to them will be that person's choice...
It is my wish that no matter the choice, the outcome is good and no one must pay a price.

You're welcome to camp near me this summer.

Rob

[LDK]

Larry,

Many people choose to believe that the world, or at least their corner of it is a safe and pleasant place.
Nothing wrong with that, we all want to live a quiet and peaceful life.
It is for those same reasons we hire police and fund our respective militaries.

For many/most of the population of a given area, crime, and the fear that comes with it, is rarely seen/felt.
It is understandable then that as a race, most of us wish/prefer to settle differences over a beer, or coffee, or in some other non violent manner.
This leads to most of us looking down on those "unauthorized" people who feel they need to be better prepared, just in case.
After all, the police take care of all the bad stuff...don't they? Dial 911 and you'll be "saved".

Peace, is what most civilizations strive for, and our authorized defenders do their best to keep the horrific, awful acts committed by the few rouges hidden away from "the public".
It is not done by the defenders to deceive, but rather because we the defendees prefer "not to know" (makes it easier to sleep at night).

While I am not for "vigilante" justice, having a citizen who has completed the proper training with a defense weapon, and who has the proper permits, and is willing to defend his family and or a stranger on the street who is being attacked is not a bad thing in my book.

Some people choose to hide behind often mistaken beliefs, some take the painful path of realization of truth, and act on it.
Neither one is completely wrong, as we live in a free country... and when, if, some awful thing ever results in the need for self defense, the result of being prepared, or choosing to believe it will never happen to them will be that person's choice...
It is my wish that no matter the choice, the outcome is good and no one must pay a price.

You're welcome to camp near me this summer.

Rob

Thanks Rob, I look forward to meeting you this summer.
Here are a few you-tube videos i thought I'd throw out there.
http://youtu.be/-25ftN9kWUM
http://youtu.be/nu5j8C2Hrc0

[Bear_Rider]

Here, give this some thought.
If you lived in such a free and safe country would you have the need to carry a gun?
Me thinks not.

One of the first things that you learn in a truly FREE country is that you do not need to justify the exercise of a right.
Hopefully you will one day be in a position to experience and understand that truth.

[sagebrush]

One of the first things that you learn in a truly FREE country is that you do not need to justify the exercise of a right.
Hopefully you will one day be in a position to experience and understand that truth.[/quote]


Well said!!

[Corwin C]

It took me some time to decide if I wanted to be a part of this discussion. There are many people with whom I have daily contact that will never know that I carry (unless they read this.) I know that many of my co-workers and friends carry and I feel comforted in a way knowing that they are there and prepared for whatever. I guess I'm a sheepdog ... by making the decision to carry I'm by default willing to protect my own and yours.

The fire extinguisher is a good analogy. I wouldn't be caught without one and at the same time hope I never need it. Firearms are a little different though. I greatly enjoy shooting sports whether it be skeet or plinking or just punching holes in paper. There is real skill involved, just like taking up a sport like golf. Being able to place that bullet just exactly where I want it every time is the "golden ring" that all shooters understand and strive for. I rarely hunt, but I'm more than capable if the need arises. There's not a whole lot of fun things that I can think of to do with a fire extinguisher.

Firearms are a part of my life. I was raised around guns, I taught my wife to handle guns (she can often out shoot me,) my children were raised around guns and are becoming better marksmen each time we go out to shoot. It is one of the first things I pick up in the morning and one of the last I set down at night. I have absolutely no fear of firearms, although I may fear people who who have dishonorable intentions and/or don't have the proper respect for guns.

I find it interesting that in places where ALL adult males are conscripted into the military, armed, and expected to be skilled in the use of their weapon there is practically no crime. Even in states where firearms are more prevalent, violent crime seems to be lower. In places where guns aren't allowed, you will not find me wandering about (especially after dark.) Just by being there, to the criminal mind you're easy pickings because law abiding citizens won't have access to an effective defense in those places.

Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto was known to have commented something to the effect that the war that Japan initiated with the United States would never be won because there was a gun in every house and behind every tree. It is my belief that just not knowing where the guns are keeps today's terrorists from trying more brazen attacks than they do. I believe that guns actually keep us safe from those who will take advantage of someone who is perceived as weaker than themselves ... be it individual or national.

Long live the second amendment ... "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Very powerful words with profound meaning.

[Bear_Rider]

One of the first things that you learn in a truly FREE country is that you do not need to justify the exercise of a right.
Hopefully you will one day be in a position to experience and understand that truth.

Wow cool you have the right to carry a gun, does it make you feel free and safe?
You don't live in a free and safe country if you feel you need to carry a gun to protect yourself.
Why would I want the right to carry a gun? I have no enemies, I'm not afraid and paranoid of my neighbors and I live in a country where we have no need to carry guns, rights or no rights.
I just couldn't imagine carrying a gun and living in a country where I felt that I had a need to.
I was asked to go camping in the States by a member here and it was funny as she let me know that we would be protected as she carries. I turned her down, couldn't fathom being around someone that has the right to kill when talking about a problem is much simpler then killing someone.
The mentality of people when it comes to taking a life blows me away at times but I guess at times the upbringing of people just can't be bred out of them through proper guidance while being brought up.

"Wow cool" What are you? About 16 years old? It certainly sounds like it.

Either way. I'm done with this particular conversation.

[48Rob]

The mentality of people when it comes to taking a life blows me away at times but I guess at times the upbringing of people just can't be bred out of them through proper guidance while being brought up.

Even though you don't care for the vast majority of us, you may be pleased to know that the vast majority of us would defend you and yours were you caught up in a situation where you're talking problems out over a beer turned into your opponent trying to kill you.

You may misunderstand the mentality of which you speak.
Other than criminals, none wants to take another’s life, the goal of carrying/owning a weapon is not to kill someone, it is to prevent someone from killing us.

It sounds like you may live in a very quiet and pleasant crime free place, that is fantastic, we all wish for the same.
It is not like that everywhere, in your country or ours.
Bad people are out there, and now and then they get out of control.
Usually the police or military restrain them, but if they are unable, the next option is not pleasant conversation.
If the criminal is armed, with gun, knife, baseball bat, whatever, and you have nothing but words, the outcome will likely not be in your favor.
Being prepared is a very basic and simple idea.
You point out that you are shocked that society cannot breed out the bad guys that want to hurt the rest of us, yet you put down those of us who would hold up our arms to fend off the blows from such people...

Rob

[GPW]

Living in the "Murder capital of the World" , we’re just very Careful where we go .... and when we go ..... Most of the Crime happens from one small youthful “group” , in their “hood” and usually late at night... Wouldn’t be so bad eliminating each other , but they’re such bad shots , spraying bullets everywhere with automatic weapons , usually striking unintended innocent bystanders... No chance for rehabilitation with the For PROFIT Justice/Prison system ... Only hope is they’ll eventually all kill each other off , eliminating the “players” ... leaving the rest of us alone ...

[DTCOOPER]

bizie- the fact remains (despite your saying otherwise) that crime exists everywhere. The thought that I can take a few simple steps (and exercise my rights) to reduce the possibility of myself or my family becoming a statistic; is something I take great pride in. After all we live in the greatest Country in the world..
I'd suggest that your refusal to see that is a product of either ignorance or apathy.. You decide which one applies.

[Larry C]

bizie- the fact remains (despite your saying otherwise) that crime exists everywhere. The thought that I can take a few simple steps (and exercise my rights) to reduce the possibility of myself or my family becoming a statistic; is something I take great pride in. After all we live in the greatest Country in the world..
I'd suggest that your refusal to see that is a product of either ignorance or apathy.. You decide which one applies.

No refusal here, just see no need to carry guns as there's better ways to deal with problems then killing one another.
Some countries feel the need to be at war all the time, funny as they have so many of their people killed over stupid things.
I'd rather live in a country that can deal with their problems without resorting to violence.
Wouldn't you feel better if you could deal with a problem over a handshake instead of pulling a gun?

You live in a country where there is no need to carry guns... How about the "Highway of Tears" in your beloved BC??
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/09/25 ... 14069.html

All these missing and MURDERED women would have had a different opinion about your so called "safe country" Your right to bear arms was taken away by your government. Now YOU and all these young women are at the mercy of serial killers! Great place to live eh?

[DTCOOPER]

of course I would. And in all the years that I've carried a gun, I've never been in a situation to warrant drawing or using it. And as far as settling disagreements over beer or coffee or milkshakes?? I prefer to avoid conflict altogether.. You act as if we run around here in the US looking for fights to draw a weapon. If that's what you believe, you're mistaken. I mean honestly, how many cases of vigilante justice have you heard about? How many shootouts have you read about ? We have a right, we choose to exercise it. That's all. You're naive if you believe that you live in a crime free country. Whether you choose to see it or not, there is evil everywhere. I commend your ability to avoid those situations. But I'd prefer to be prepared for the situation if it ever arises, than to refuse that the possibility exists.

We can go around and around about this all day. It's a personal choice. Neither one is right for everyone. So in this case, we'll just share a beer, and agree to disagree.

[DTCOOPER]

I must inject this little piece of wisdom though:

If guns are banned in your Country, and there is only 1 gun related homicide in your Country; then relative to the number of available guns, aren't you exponentially more likely to be involved in a shooting in Canada, than you are in the United States?

Here, try this: All statistics are from Texas Department of Public Safety website, and BC's Ministry of Justice website.
Estimated Population of BC- 4,400,000 people
Estimated Population of Texas- 25,674,681 (roughly 5.5 times the population of BC)
last year aggravated / violent assaults in BC- 36716
last year aggravated / violent assaults in Texas- 71561

So in BC, the violent assault rate is 1 in every 120 citizens
in Texas the violent assault rate is 1 in every 359 citizens..

So in closing- my argument is once again proven that an armed society is a polite society..

[DTCOOPER]

And PLEASE don't try to tell us that all of the criminals in your safe haven came from America..