Anybody packin?

[Larry C]

I will have to disagree.
Deleting a thread throws away all the information and opinions that have been shared.
So many threads get deleted when someone doesn't like the way the discussion is going, or "when they don't get their way".
This has been a reasonably civil discussion, with views presented from opposing sides.
No one will ever "win" but information has been presented and it would be a shame to lose it, no matter ones personal view.

Gus, your stated view is that you don't feel a personal need for a gun.
I respect that view, however, because you don't have a personal need is not a good reason to vote to delete a thread...
There are many threads that I/we feel are useless, but I/we don't all read through them and request that they are all deleted because we don't feel a personal need for them to be on the forum.

If a thread gets out of hand, the administrators, or Mike can lock it, and or delete the offensive posts within the thread, leaving the rest.

Rob

I agree with Rob. Censorship because you don't like the postings is not democratic. There are several of us that think this thread is beneficial and educational. If you don't like a particular thread, (there are several I don't like) just don't follow it, simple as that! DO NOT DELETE

Larry

[eamarquardt]

No one is learning anything but the opinions of others. IE, nothing of any real value IMHO. I doubt that one person has decided to carry or not to carry as a result of this "discussion". That's my opinion.

Gus

[rowerwet]

In MA the local chief of police gets the say on who gets what initially, which causes the criminals to be the gun owners in the bad areas in most cases.

I never heard of anything like that. Do they even have to take a conceal carry class?

just to have a gun in the peoples republic you need to have the cheif's approval, then pay about $200 for a state police background check, then take a course at an approved training site, concealed carry is on top of that. I have to get a high capacity permit because my bolt actioin 22 has a tube magazine that holds more than 9 rounds, which is another approval

[Larry C]

No one is learning anything but the opinions of others. IE, nothing of any real value IMHO. I doubt that one person has decided to carry or not to carry as a result of this "discussion". That's my opinion.

Gus

On the contrary... I am learning a lot more about foreign countries. This discussion has reinforced my long standing opinion. Also, how could you possibly know what someone else has decided to do? Your one sided opinion is just that...your opinion!

Larry

[LDK]

I kinda agree with deleting the thread. I love a good "tussle" but only when someone might learn something. No one is learning a thing from this thread.

I've never been in a situation where a gun would be needed. I've been in several auto accidents over the years. Perhaps I should sell my cars and walk.

I just don't see the need, unless one is (for one reason or another) deliberately going in harms way, a need to carry a weapon to to about one's ordinary business.

I vote DELETE.

Cheers,

Gus

[LDK]

In MA the local chief of police gets the say on who gets what initially, which causes the criminals to be the gun owners in the bad areas in most cases.

I never heard of anything like that. Do they even have to take a conceal carry class?

I have to get a high capacity permit because my bolt actioin 22 has a tube magazine that holds more than 9 rounds, which is another approval

Wow, thats crazy. I never heard of anything like that. I have a 22 that has a tube magazine also.

[Strangelymade]

Nope, I don't. I can't even get a license for a shot gun because of my Epilepsy. BUT, then again I don't need to, where I live has a crime rate of ZERO, yes that's right ZERO crimes a year, but we do have 24 fully armed police ( all carrying Mp5's and Berreta's) stationed with in a 30sec call out.

[Roly Nelson]

Wow, that is contrary to what we have always heard. I thought Bobbies didn't carry guns in the UK.
Roly

[Bear_Rider]

Wow, that is contrary to what we have always heard. I thought Bobbies didn't carry guns in the UK.
Roly

England's crime rate started climbing two or three decades ago. They have had the highest rate of violent crimes in Europe for at least a decade (if you use anyone's figures other than those from the Home Office). Prior to Obama, our violent crime rate was falling while England's was rising, and it looked like England's would shortly surpass ours. I haven't bothered to check since Obama took over, so I don't know the exact state of affairs right now.

England's cops started carrying more generally with that rise in violence.

[Strangelymade]

Uk police don't carry as standard. They have to be specially trained to be armed police and then they are used only in special situations.

We just happen to live close to a special situation, and technically our local bobbies are M.O.D police, so they are limited to who they can shoot.

[rowerwet]

We just happen to live close to a special situation, and technically our local bobbies are M.O.D police, so they are limited to who they can shoot.

that makes perfect sense, give them a gun, then demand they have proper authority to shoot in a situation where getting ID''s first wouldn't be the easiest...

[Strangelymade]

It's more of a case that they are deployed against armed villains, terrorists and people of that ilk. And they work on a one shot one kill policy.

Don't forget in the UK it wasn't that long ago that a policeman could stop a passing civilian and borrow their handgun if they were chasing a villain

[capy235]

This board has always been upbeat, positive, and supportive with little to no bickering. This is obviously a hot button topic in which there is nothing to be gained.

I would vote to end this thread.

[48Rob]

This is obviously a hot button topic in which there is nothing to be gained.

I would vote to end this thread.

I understand what you are saying, but must ask...

Should we delete, or prohibit any discussion on any topic that doesn't follow a flowery, perfect world scenario?
This is an "off topic" discussion area, created by the board owner for topics that are not related to the normal discussion on the board.

I think that when we engage in off topic, or on topic discussion, we should all try harder to keep emotion from ruling our postings, it is something that is near impossible to control, as we all have different levels of tolerance.
(Hence the need for administrators)

I am for civil discussion, but to start deleting and prohibiting threads because they have no value/nothing to be gained in the opinion of a few who disagree with the subject matter is censorship that should be reserved for the board owner.
A discussion board isn't supposed to be democratic with respect to the members voting how the owner should/will operate.
Though it can be of course if that is what the owner wants.

If Mike/the board of administrators chooses to post a new rule that disallows any such discussion, I will be the first to abide by those rules.
For now though, as long is the discussions don't get out of hand, I am not willing to give up my rights to post my opinions because a few people disagree with the subject matter and or don't think there is anything to be gained, and want to have it wiped off the board like it never happened.
Those who post in anger should also consider that this practice will eventually lead to the inability to post at all...

I don't like some of the threads posted either, but when I come across them, I mutter something to myself and move on to another post that does suit me.

Rob

[bdosborn]

I agree, we should delete this thread. And then we should go through the entire discussion board and delete all posts where "there is nothing to be gained". And we should repress all discussions that a even on single person objects to.

Or, you could simply stop reading a thread that you don't agree with.

Bruce