The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:09 am

I had a great score the other day. Dave, the machinist, came into my office and asked me if I could us a linear actuator for the camper, then he gave me these.
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They have a 10 inch throw, are 12vdc, and have a dynamic load rating of 100 lbs. (500 lbs static). I might just have to incorporate one or two of these into the hatch build. After all they were free! They were used as poor man’s valve actuators by the previous engineer, and the current engineer wants nothing to do with them. Bottom line, Dave was told to scrap a bunch of them, all in fine working order.

Skip to the bottom for router guide collar stuff, if you are not interested in seeing me hang plastic sheeting in the loft.

Another trip to Ho-de-po. $104 for the big roll of heavy 6 mil plastic sheeting (totaling 57+ lbs).
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Brought a bunch of cardboard with me and cut it into crude strips with the razor knife. These will be used as tack strips to reinforce the staples and prevent the staple tacker from damaging the plastic sheeting during installation.
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After moving everything away from the wall and reorganizing a few things, I got the first wall up. Notice the use of the tack strips along the header beam and around the window framing. Also, note the use of blue tape to seal around the windows.
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(I forgot to take the pic before starting to move stuff back into place.) Note the big roll of plastic down by the end wall.

Along the bottom I used whatever scrap or spare wood that Karl had laying around as weights to hold the sheet to the floor. If need be, we can lift the sheets up and/or slice an access opening (that can be taped up after) in order to get to Karl’s stored items.

That was Wednesday. On Thursday I moved a bunch more stuff, reorganized some of Karl’s stuff in the north crawl space so that we can get to it easier in a pinch, pulled my supply shelf away from the wall enough, and did the second side wall.
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Rather than fight one big sheet, and taking into consideration that I didn’t want to have to move the floor/cradle set up for ladder access to the ceiling, I opted to do the end wall and half of the ceiling in one sheet, then finish the other half of the ceiling and the drape wall with a separate sheet (…well, at least the half of the half of the loft that I am encasing).

So I measured carefully, added a little extra, and cut to length. Done for the night.

Yesterday (Friday) I fed the folded sheet up over the hoist beam (rather than closing the beam off).
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Then I spread the sheet out along the beam, which really helped to support the weight of the plastic while I was working on the end wall.
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I started along the side corner leaving just a small overlap to the side wall, then tacked off the bottom sill. You can see where I have started to tack off over and under the big window, too.
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At the first ceiling joist there was nothing between it and the end wall siding to tack to, so what I found to be easier was to tack to the highest horizontal rail under the ceiling, taking most of the weight, then I came back and tacked up into the underside of the ceiling joist.

Here I have started to pull the ceiling portion tight over the hoist beam.
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It was about this time that I realized that I should have centered the sheet on the wall leaving a bigger overlap in the first corner. The 1 inch was enough up the vertical corner, but fell a bit short along the long north wall to ceiling joint. Should have known that from all of the roof skinning advice that I have read here, “overlap both sides and trim excess later”. So I had to tug and pull it a bit askew to get some overlap over my supply shelf, and I will probably have to tape some extra filler bits in later, but the other side has plenty of overlap and won’t be a problem.

Here is the end wall with all of the windows cut out, but not taped yet.
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And that’s about where I ran out of steam.

Biziedizie asked for more details on the router guide collar set up, so I mocked up a few pic’s.

None of my routers were supported by the mfg’s or aftermarket (or at least they are no longer supported) when it comes to adapting guide collars. So I went ahead and bought the available adapter plate and figured I could add the necessary holes. After carefully measuring the radius and center to center dimensions of the bolt pattern on my Dad’s plunge router shoe (it has a symmetrical pattern, whereas the Ryobis are non-symmetrical), I took the dim’s to work and laid out a drawing with both radial and axial dimensions. That way once the center was located in the mill, we could use either the rotary indexing table or the linear digital readouts to locate, drill, and counter sink the holes. Actually, I passed this on to Dave and he whipped it out during lunch.
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The gray tinted holes are the new ones.

The guide collar set comes with a centering tool (…actually, it comes with two; one for 1/4 inch collets and one for 1/2 inch collets, not shown), and the adapter plate fit perfectly.
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Here is a better (?) pic of the brass guide collar and lock nut that secures the collar to the adapter plate.
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After removing the bit, installing the collar and nut loosely, and using the centering tool to locate the collar, I tightened the nut and reinstalled the bit.
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Demonstrating height adjustment with the collar.
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In these next three shots you can see where I have set a scrap piece of 1x (3/4 thk) stock (representing my wall blocking depth of cut) on top of a scrap of the 5mm underlayment (representing my preferred template material), plus another bit of 5mm on the right. Obviously, I will have to turn the height of the collar down in the lathe to match the thickness of my template.

Flush.
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A little deep.
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A little shallow.
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Hope that helps explain it better, and you can see a perfect example of why I keep harping on the fact that everything takes longer than you think it should, even when you think you have “all of the tools and materials needed”.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby GPW » Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:28 am

KC , we tried the collars and/but seem to prefer the flush-cutting bits with the bearings , and a Thick template .... easy enough to true up a template on an oscillating spindle sander ... But then again , that’s for Guitar making , your application may be different ... ? :thinking:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby Wolffarmer » Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:35 am

Nice actuators you lucky dog. The way I might make my bed might be able to use something like that but I am a very long way from actually designing and building it. Sort of a hospital bed/recliner in a teardrop.

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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:54 am

GPW, I could set up a spindle sander in the drill press, but they're not really designed for continuous side loading and they don't oscillate. That is a tool that I do not have access to. I will jump through a few hoops and get this collar set up working so that I can use my preferred template material; for the cost of a thick piece of ply I have "tooled up".

Randy (WF), man, that hospital bed idea is a great one! PM me if you are serious and ever get to that point in your design. I owe you a favor for the lantern gaskets. I wish I had these when I was doing my frame and floor; I would have definitely done that, made pockets in the floor under a mattress board and anchored the actuators to a frame xmbr. There are probably a dozen easier ways to do it, though. As it is, I have acid reflux and plan to raise the tongue jack at bed time (I sleep with blocks under the head of my bed at home). I actually considered installing my galley on a sloped angle so that I could set up with the pillows raised and have the galley level, but that seemed like it would be complicated and weird, too personalized at resale (if ever).
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby Wolffarmer » Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:19 pm

KC, I really want to do something like a hospital bed/ recliner. I have not slept in my bed at home for 2 year. The recliner is much more comfortable but a full on recliner is just to big for any TD I am able to pull so I will have to do some kind of custom thing.

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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby Wobbly Wheels » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:41 pm

If nothing else, those rams will be great for stabilizers, whether you mount them vertically and put a foot on them or use them to draw the regular one down. Pushing a button beats reaching under the trailer when you're setting up on a dark rainy Friday night after work !
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:49 pm

Thanks WW, both Dave and Karl had that same idea. Since they are only good for 100 lbs force, I don't think they would be adequate for raising the camper. And the stabilizers I have chosen are the type that swing down and out to lock (about 100-110 degrees) before being extended down, so I don't see a simple way to adapt the actuators.

Now if I had selected the screw jack style of stabilizer, I would just carry a cordless drill and socket adapter.

But it sure would be cool to automate that feature, assuming that overall weight is not an issue. They are not that heavy, but they are heavier than the stabilizers I have, and the wiring would add a bit more. Maybe someone will try it. :thumbsup:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby Ned B » Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:11 pm

boy, that tenting you're doing to the loft looks great! I really need to do something like that out in my shop... I have a gambrel roof, and any heat I do generate goes right on up to 15' high.. doing me zero good down at working levels. Luckily I have some sheeting on hand, I just need to get out there and tack it up one of these evenings...

Nice job too on the router plate mod, Porter Cable is the 'standard' fitting, Ryobi not so much. That's why when I bought my router years back I went with the standard 690 kit with both fixed and plunge base. I think if I were to buy another router I'd pick up a PC 'mid duty' router, bigger than a trim router, but not as many hp as the 690. But that's another thread.

Keep up the good work, cheering along from the sidelines over here in NY!
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:40 pm

Thanks for watching, Ned B, and thanks for the nice compliments.

Unfortunately the situation with our washer machine has kept me from getting out to the shop this weekend. Yesterday I had the repair guy out to confirm that it is not worth fixing our old machine. Seems that the motor control circuit board was fried, and they would have to replace the board, motor and harness, since the earlier motor is no longer supported.

Since the repair guy didn't show up until afternoon (on an 8-12 morning appointment), and the wife had self induced car trouble last evening, I didn't make it out to the shop. Today we went shopping for a new washer and got a great deal from Ho-de-po, of all places, on a clearance model that was marked down. In fact, it was marked down further than intended and they had to take an additional $112 off from what it rang up at due to the posted signage being in error. While there I also picked up some more 5/16 long T50 staples for the tacker.

Tomorrow evening is dinner at mom's...lamb roasted on the clock jack spit on the open hearth. Hopefully we will get there in time to take pics (or mom will take pics for me; hint, hint). The cooking time is not always predictable when cooking in front of open flame, and sometimes the roast is done and off before we arrive.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:01 pm

Early in the week the net pad decided it would not go past black screen, and the desk top at home has decided to not start windows, so I am "flying blind" at home. I was due for a new net pad/lap top device like thingy anyway. The battery never charged after I replaced the power receptacle last time and it now has a loose power jack or short again so it has been blacking out on power loss frequently anyway...whenever I would move or touch the cord... :x :x :x ...not going to replace the jack again. I can try hooking it up to a monitor and seeing if it is just the screen that is faulty, but I suspect "invasive bugs". So... the wife and I are going xmas shopping for ourselves this evening. She wants some upgrade ear buds that I don't dare try to pick out by myself, and I am getting a new small computing device of some sort :frightened: :thinking: ;) .

Camera has pics of the completed "boy in the plastic bubble" version of the loft workshop and I have pics of mom’s roast on the spit sitting in my e-mail (that I can't get to at the moment), which I will post as soon as I can.

Once I got the loft all resituated with one of those oil filled electric radiators going, I did a little sanding on the filler that I had already applied to the underside of the floor, and knocked down the errant glue nubs. I wouldn't call it warm in there yet (though Karl says the daytime temps and sun on the roof warm it up substantially...I am usually there in the evening after the sun has set), but when I left the tent last night it was definitely colder in the rest of the loft. Karl was going to check it this morning, and I have a recording thermometer that will bring to track the highs and lows. So long as we can keep it above freezing overnight, and above 55 deg F in the evenings, I should be able to store and use my glues.

Maybe I will be able to post pics tomorrow. :thinking: :worship: :NC
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:01 pm

test post from best buy Demopad don'tlikeit sofar
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:05 pm

Test from iPad. Better,but weird to get used to.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:16 pm

Test from macbook. Much better. Real keyboard, not touch screen.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:19 pm

Ultra book windows 8. much more what I'm used to.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby Wolffarmer » Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:06 pm

Try something with Ubuntu

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