Boondocking and security

[eamarquardt]

Been thinking about some off the beaten path boondocking lately. A bit concerned that some "bad guys" might see us as a "target of opportunity".

So, got to thinking about camp site security.

I'd like to hear how many folks use the following instruments for protection.

(1) LRADS
(2) 60mm's
(3) Mark 19s
(4) LAWs (I understand some are still available at selected surplus stores)
(5) M79s
(6) 3.5s
(7) 90mm's
(8) 105s
(9) 155s
(10) SAWS
(11) M249s
(12) 50s
(13) Other

Look forward to hearing your replies.

Thanks,

Gus

[bdosborn]

Hmm, where did i put the... Oh, here it is:



Bruce

[Thawley]

Shouldn't this be in the Camping Secrets forum?

[eamarquardt]

Hmm, where did i put the... Oh, here it is:



Bruce

Does it really work?

Thanks,

Gus

[eamarquardt]

Shouldn't this be in the Camping Secrets forum?

I dunno. We'll see what others think.

Thanks.

Gus

[starleen2]

Shouldn't this be in the Camping Secrets forum?

I dunno. We'll see what others think.

Thanks.

Gus

Some of the items listed above are military grade assault weapons. Threads with this topic have locked in the past due to passions about weapons in the campground.

[Shadow Catcher]

Most of our boondocking for the foreseeable future will be North of the border and Canada has gun control. One year we are headed up to Lake Superior Provincial Park and crossing the border, the car a Subaru wagon is loaded with three kids an 18'4" Mad River canoe and all the gear and food for a week. The underside of the canoe and the inside of the car are packed to the max with three tents PFD's paddles three burner Preway stove Coleman lantern and a big ice chest clothing... It used to take me hours stuffing and fitting and... it was a true work of art. So we are crossing the border into Canada and the Canadian official goes through a list of "do you have" and my number two son says "what about the shot gun?" and I have visions about having to unpack EVERYTHING. Fortunately the agent took my word for it that we had no such thing.

This is right now, a very sensitive subject which is why I tried to lighten it up a bit. I have a 44 cap and ball single action pistol and quite frankly I see no reason for any one to have anything more than this for 'protection' I personally feel there should not be any automatic weapons owned by any one and assault weapons should be banned. I had to warn a client who has borderline personality and makes idle threats that he had better take into account how seriously any idle threats he makes as an expression of his mental illness will likely be taken. He does not have the means to buy guns but like Adam plays Call of Duty and has a very skewed idea of how to express anger, hurt, uncertainty. He is making progress and he saw Adam as one of the victim because he never got the help he needed!

[Kody]

Most of us here Down Under have very few problems with security out in the Boondocks. We don't use the term Boondocks, we use the term "in the outback". This means that you can be anywhere at all. You can travel all day and not see another person but when in such desolate places, you need to be very careful of other humans regardless of how many or what sex they are. The general rule is, don't stop near a "broken down" vehicle or near someone who flags you down. Stop at least 50 yards further up the road and if possible, with the sun behind you. Leave the car engine running and call out to the person/people to ask what is wrong and get one of them to come to you. Don't walk down to the other car. When we are in the bush in a desolate area, I always keep my security systems ready for instant use but always out of sight. Our German Shepherd is also wonderful for security (where we are, she is) and has earned her worth when I was the victim of a road rage incident.
There are countless places where you can camp overnight and stay for a maximum of 24 hours. Many places are available for a 48 hour stay and also for a week or more. These areas are free but have have very little or no amenities not that it really counts. A stay in a standard campground is always available when a long shower is desperately longed for. When the driving becomes too exhausting, I/we stop in the long paddock, keeping well away from the bitumen, and have a camp until rested. Having a camp is very different to staying for a camp.
Having a camp means, to lie down and have a sleep.
Staying for a camp means you are remaining there for an indefinite time.
It can be difficult to have a camp with security when there are no trees in the long paddock because you stand out like a cockatoo in a field of sorghum. This is when a German Shepherd "comes into its own." If it's possible, I will enter a property and get as far away as I can from the highway. Properties here in the outback/long paddock, can be 50 to 800 square miles in area and offer excellent security from riff-raff cruising the highway. Knowing what has happened in the past in the outback helps to keep you alive and be in control if everything goes "pear-shaped" as we say. Not a lot has ever happened but enough has in the past to keep you remaining vigilant. Knowing how to handle any situation and be prepared to use your ultimate security system is the key to survival.

Kody

[eamarquardt]

Most of us here Down Under have very few problems with security out in the Boondocks. We don't use the term Boondocks, we use the term "in the outback". This means that you can be anywhere at all. You can travel all day and not see another person but when in such desolate places, you need to be very careful of other humans regardless of how many or what sex they are. The general rule is, don't stop near a "broken down" vehicle or near someone who flags you down. Stop at least 50 yards further up the road and if possible, with the sun behind you. Leave the car engine running and call out to the person/people to ask what is wrong and get one of them to come to you. Don't walk down to the other car. When we are in the bush in a desolate area, I always keep my security systems ready for instant use but always out of sight. Our German Shepherd is also wonderful for security (where we are, she is) and has earned her worth when I was the victim of a road rage incident.
There are countless places where you can camp overnight and stay for a maximum of 24 hours. Many places are available for a 48 hour stay and also for a week or more. These areas are free but have have very little or no amenities not that it really counts. A stay in a standard campground is always available when a long shower is desperately longed for. When the driving becomes too exhausting, I/we stop in the long paddock, keeping well away from the bitumen, and have a camp until rested. Having a camp is very different to staying for a camp.
Having a camp means, to lie down and have a sleep.
Staying for a camp means you are remaining there for an indefinite time.
It can be difficult to have a camp with security when there are no trees in the long paddock because you stand out like a cockatoo in a field of sorghum. This is when a German Shepherd "comes into its own." If it's possible, I will enter a property and get as far away as I can from the highway. Properties here in the outback/long paddock, can be 50 to 800 square miles in area and offer excellent security from riff-raff cruising the highway. Knowing what has happened in the past in the outback helps to keep you alive and be in control if everything goes "pear-shaped" as we say. Not a lot has ever happened but enough has in the past to keep you remaining vigilant. Knowing how to handle any situation and be prepared to use your ultimate security system is the key to survival.

Kody

Ya know, my original post was satire and I was fully aware that most folks on the forum would not recognize it as such and would have no idea what the items listed were. But humor has a way of bringing out sage advice and I think Kody has made some very good points. Although the weapons I mentioned are serious and were listed "tongue in cheek" my thoughts about being a "target of opportunity" were/are genuine.

Thanks Cody for a great response. I learned a lot.

Cheers,

Gus

[gregp136]

Interesting timing on this thread.

[jstrubberg]

[quote=This is right now, a very sensitive subject which is why I tried to lighten it up a bit. I have a 44 cap and ball single action pistol and quite frankly I see no reason for any one to have anything more than this for 'protection' I personally feel there should not be any automatic weapons owned by any one and assault weapons should be banned. [/quote]


Automatic weapons have been illegal to own since....the 40s I think.

[eamarquardt]

[quote=This is right now, a very sensitive subject which is why I tried to lighten it up a bit. I have a 44 cap and ball single action pistol and quite frankly I see no reason for any one to have anything more than this for 'protection' I personally feel there should not be any automatic weapons owned by any one and assault weapons should be banned.

Automatic weapons have been illegal to own since....the 40s I think.[/quote]

There are a number of restrictions on automatic weapons (machine guns) but they can be legally owned by private citizens:

http://www.spreadfirearms.com/class3citizen.html

But, it was not my intent to begin a debate about guns, my intent was to poke a bit at some things and also encourage folks to think about their security while camping in secluded areas. Again, Kody did an excellent job providing some reasonable steps one can take to minimize the risks of camping in "unsecured" areas and his suggestions don't include "packin".

Cheers,

Gus

[Fenlason]

Most of us here Down Under have very few problems with security out in the Boondocks. We don't use the term Boondocks, we use the term "in the outback". This means that you can be anywhere at all. You can travel all day and not see another person but when in such desolate places, you need to be very careful of other humans regardless of how many or what sex they are. The general rule is, don't stop near a "broken down" vehicle or near someone who flags you down. Stop at least 50 yards further up the road and if possible, with the sun behind you. Leave the car engine running and call out to the person/people to ask what is wrong and get one of them to come to you. Don't walk down to the other car. When we are in the bush in a desolate area, I always keep my security systems ready for instant use but always out of sight. Our German Shepherd is also wonderful for security (where we are, she is) and has earned her worth when I was the victim of a road rage incident.
There are countless places where you can camp overnight and stay for a maximum of 24 hours. Many places are available for a 48 hour stay and also for a week or more. These areas are free but have have very little or no amenities not that it really counts. A stay in a standard campground is always available when a long shower is desperately longed for. When the driving becomes too exhausting, I/we stop in the long paddock, keeping well away from the bitumen, and have a camp until rested. Having a camp is very different to staying for a camp.
Having a camp means, to lie down and have a sleep.
Staying for a camp means you are remaining there for an indefinite time.
It can be difficult to have a camp with security when there are no trees in the long paddock because you stand out like a cockatoo in a field of sorghum. This is when a German Shepherd "comes into its own." If it's possible, I will enter a property and get as far away as I can from the highway. Properties here in the outback/long paddock, can be 50 to 800 square miles in area and offer excellent security from riff-raff cruising the highway. Knowing what has happened in the past in the outback helps to keep you alive and be in control if everything goes "pear-shaped" as we say. Not a lot has ever happened but enough has in the past to keep you remaining vigilant. Knowing how to handle any situation and be prepared to use your ultimate security system is the key to survival.

Kody

Ya know, my original post was satire and I was fully aware that most folks on the forum would not recognize it as such and would have no idea what the items listed were. But humor has a way of bringing out sage advice and I think Kody has made some very good points. Although the weapons I mentioned are serious and were listed "tongue in cheek" my thoughts about being a "target of opportunity" were/are genuine.

Thanks Cody for a great response. I learned a lot.

Cheers,

Gus

I took your post as it was intended..

[eamarquardt]

Some of the items listed above are military grade assault weapons. Threads with this topic have locked in the past due to passions about weapons in the campground.

Not one of the items in my original post is an assault weapon. Two are machine guns and are covered by more specific laws than the laws governing "assault weapons". They are all very serious weapons designed and intended exclusively for military/para-military use. In addition I was speaking of situations where people are not camping in "campgrounds" per say but open "undeveloped areas" where one is isolated and bad things might happen and no one would notice.

Cheers,

Gus

[bdosborn]

I lock the doors of the trailer when boondocking.



Bruce