The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:18 pm

No George, you are correct. I am confusing with the numbers for the marine grade bedding compounds. The foam grade PL has been used by some with good success, but from what I understand it is a bit expensive compared to other options. What I was trying to recall was the PL construction adhesive, yellow label, thick brown paste like consistency.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby Bogo » Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:08 am

I glued my house together with lots of the various PL construction adhesives. Used up a few cases of the stuff. I used it to seal up all cracks between pieces of wood to make my place very air tight.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby lukeyslide » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:18 am

KCStudly wrote:Thanks Norm. Yeah, we don’t eat that way all the time, but we do enjoy it when we do.

Lukey, Thank you for the very kind words. I really appreciate your recognition of the amount of work put in. I seriously considered building a weekender to get it done, but got sucked in by all the cool ideas. I suppose I could have thrown something together much faster, but I kind of get hung up on the details and there’s not much point in putting lipstick on a pig, so in for a penny in for a pound. If there ever is a #2 it will be more traditional and thriftier. The hybrid construction should come out relatively light, but I seem to be having more difficulty getting the foam to do what I want than the wood; keeping it fair, dent and gouge free. Surprisingly, I seem to be doing well with the wood work and am happy with speed and end results I am getting there. Not that I am unhappy with the foam; it’s just not as “fixed” (durable or uniform) as the wood.

If you can make it here from Brisbane, I’d be more than happy to feed you! My host family that I stayed with for my year in New Zealand moved to Brisbane after I returned home. It’s a small world.

George (ghcoe), Yeah, I suspect that I am using too much water. I have spread the GG with plastic credit cards fairly thin. Usually I run a few strands of glue, spread sparsely, and then I add a bit more here and there to achieve an even coat with no dry spots (I suppose I might be letting some excess build up in the corners… maybe I should cut the radius corners off of the spreaders). My spritzing water bottle does tend to spray a coarse splatter, rather than a fine mist, so I have been spraying the wood side and wiping down with my rubber gloved hand, just damping the wood evenly. With the cold temps the GG seems to take a while to react, and the temptation to spritz the glue side becomes overwhelming at times, so my problems are probably self-induced. I will have a talk with the operator (me) and see if I can get him to use less water.

I have very limited experience with PL (the brown stuff…4000?) putting up FRP in mixer rooms, so can’t really comment there.
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Yep like I have seen many times posted here before "build it right the first time". Spend a bit more time here or a bit more money there. Details are the finisher in most cases. Working with the foam looks like fun. The pros have all the laminating equipment to make life easier. Speaking of Pros your lucky to have that workshop. Maybe when the kids are older we might go back OS and I'l take you up on that dinner offer. The world has become alot smaller since this thing called the NET ;)

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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:25 pm

Well it was 10 deg F on the way to work this AM and never got above 17 F here in New London. Mecca is inland and up on the hill, so typically runs a couple of degrees colder this time of year. Karl thought he had noticed a stiff increase in his elec. bill and the plastic drape and space heater deal just has not been keeping up enough for me to have reliably warm enough temps in the evenings; at least not enough to have confidence in my glue application, so we decided not to run the heater 24/7, and I am not getting much done during the week (phewy). There is a pretty good solar gain in the afternoons, and Karl said he would be happy to go out and start the heater for me on days that I know I will be coming up, so it looks like weekends only until the weather warms up some (drat).

I did put together a list of the remaining cabin lights that I want to add (will order when I am done here), and found a marine grade DPDT intermediate switch (momentary on - off - momentary on reversed polarity... think RV slide out switch... #M58031-09, about 1/3 down the page on the left) that I can use to wire the hatch actuators. It doesn't explicitly say that it is weather proof, but I will inquire. Here is another option with harness that I could mount in the cabin or in a weather proof enclosure let into one of the side walls. I'm leaning toward the switch being outside near the galley for convenience.

I guess you could say I have made some progress. :NC
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby S. Heisley » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:56 pm

Winters are like that, even in warmer climates. Another month or two and you be back at it and probably doing double time. Winters are a good time to dream, think, and plan.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby RandyG » Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:19 pm

S. Heisley wrote:Winters are like that, even in warmer climates. Another month or two and you be back at it and probably doing double time. Winters are a good time to dream, think, and plan.


I'm wearing shorts today and still workin' up a sweat. 8)
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:15 pm

Sharon, Thanks for the positive attitude and support.

RandyG, that's just mean spirited! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Bastardo. :lol: (Where abouts are you, anyway?)

I just placed the order for two (2) more of the license plate style white lights (for bed side lights), one (1) of the same style fixture in red (for a night vision light to be located under the rear cabin cabinets aimed at the galley bulkhead), and three (3) more of the SPST switches.

Assuming I haven't burned out any of the LED's by hitting them with my 18v drill battery (which I have since learned is a no-no), and that the bar light for the galley provides enough light output, that should do it for lights. (Oh crap, I meant to include back-up tail lights...damn.)
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby GPW » Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:41 am

Don’t forget the “mood” lighting .... LED candles might be cool with those big dinners inside TPCE !!! 8)
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:36 pm

GPW wrote:Don’t forget the “mood” lighting .... LED candles might be cool with those big dinners inside TPCE !!! 8)


Well there will be the red light at the foot of the bed, but I don't plan on doing much eating inside of the cabin. Coleman lanterns around the campfire will do nicely to set the mood for camp grub. :thumbsup:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:18 pm

5 deg F for the ride into work today :thumbdown: ; 21 F indicated on Google at the moment :thinking: ; warming trend ( :thumbsup: :twisted: ) ...with snow approaching for the start of the weekend :roll: .
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby RandyG » Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:50 pm

68* and cloudy in Loser-ana
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby S. Heisley » Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:03 pm

RandyG wrote:68* and cloudy in Loser-ana


I'm assuming that's either Los Angeles or Santa Ana, CA. If so, I'll take a light winter over that. (Been there...Done it.)
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby RandyG » Fri Jan 25, 2013 12:20 am

Loser-ana - Louisiana, I'm not from here just living here for the moment.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby GPW » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:04 am

Randy , the word is LIVING !!! ;)
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:27 pm

It was sunny today, though cold still. Started by making a nice big pot of coffee (fresh ground hazelnut decaf), but then realized that we don’t have a Thermos bottle. Went to town to get one and to try and find a place that still sells kerosene. After a bit of running around I found both. Back at the house I washed the thermos and dumped the pot of coffee with a bit of maple syrup into it, grabbed my old neglected Kerosun Moonlighter kerosene heater out of the garage and my glues, and headed out to Mecca.

I had called ahead; Karl was in the shop with the woodstove going (building some new wall mounted material racks) and he went up and started the little electric heater for me.

The turd had run out of fuel at the end of my last visit, so this was a good time to swap out the newer holey mantles with some of the older ones.
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They were much easier to install (maybe that was me) and they burn great without any holes, but they did smoke quite a bit when I singed them off.
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Here’s the Moonlighter as retrieved from under the bench in my garage where it has sat for many years without being used. A big brown turd?
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And here it is after dismantling, wiping everything down, cleaning the burner, reassembling, fueling and lit.
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When I got to the loft the temp was 32 deg F (my spritz bottle and glue brush pot were both frozen solid). A few hours later, with the sun streaming in, both heaters and the lantern running, the loft temp had gotten up to 48F.

Decided to do a test glue up using one of my small blocks, the backside of the foam from the GG pocket test I had done previously and TB2 to see if I wanted to use the TB2 going forward with the wall blocking. I didn’t bother hogging out a pocket, just glued it flat and weighed it down.
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Next I experimented with some more of the real deal blocks in the street side galley wall. One got spritzed with water and wiped just on the block, but I did it in advance and left it to sit damp side up while I spread the glue so that it would dry a little before installing. On the next one I used a lot less water (barely getting it damp at all) because that was all that would come out of my frozen squirt bottle. Still did this first, wiped it by hand and let sit while I spread the glue. A third block was done with no water at all; the hygrometer read 49/ct humidity.

At Karl’s suggestion, we used some of the blocks as spacers between the freezer paper and boxes of welding wire so that all of the weight would be concentrated on the block being glued underneath. There was a possibility that the cardboard box was flexing into the hub of the wire spools inside of the boxes, so by adding the extra spacer block we were insuring that all of the weight was bearing down evenly on the block being glued.
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The box in the foreground is standing on edge due to proximity to the adjacent box (in the shadow on the right).

Here’s a longer shot using the new weight technique.
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After about 40 min’s we pulled a couple of the weights off to take a look and there was minimal glue/foam expansion, not enough to fill the small voids around some parts of the blocks, and the little bit of glue that had squeezed out was still very tacky. So we put the weights back on and left it to fully cure.

Doesn’t seem like I got much done, but between running around and servicing the lantern and heater, I guess I kept busy.

When I got home again I found that the additional lights and switches from superbrightleds.com had arrived, shown here with my new Stanley thermos (Stanley used to be made in CT; this was made in China :NC ).
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Well, that was my day. Progress is progress.
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