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How much travel do I need? Straight axle/drop axle?

Postby Martinjmpr » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:13 am

Okay, so my build is posted in the "build threads" section here but I have a suspension-specific question I hope the folks here can help me with:

In an effort to both lower and lighten our Teardrop "Bubbles", I have removed the old, heavy Dayton mobile home axle. Not only was this heavy, but it was also "over-slung", that is, it was in a "spring-over-axle" configuration, apparently to give it more height (I guess the guy who built it intended for it to go off road?) Here is the original arrangement:

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But now that's off and this is what I have left:

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As you can see, there looks to be maybe 6"-7" between the top of the leaf spring and the frame.

Now my original plan was to put a straight axle in, about a 2000lb round axle, which has a diameter of maybe 2", and in an effort to keep the height down, I was going to "under-sling" it (that is, go to a spring-under-axle configuration.)

But, assuming the axle with the axle seat is maybe 3" max, that leaves at most 3 - 3 1/2 " of upward travel before the axle hits the frame. Does that seem adequate? I have never built a trailer so I don't know. I can say that the trailer is on the heavy side. It was 1100 lbs when I weighed it last, but my guess is that the Dayton axle and wheels accounted for at least 150lb of that and the new axle will be much ligher, but my guess is that it will still be probably 1,000lb. I will also say that the springs are rather stiff, so I'm not sure if I'm worrying unneccessarily or not.

Now, if that wheel travel appears to be inadequate, my other option would be to get a 'drop axle' and mount it under the spring. That would give me the full 6 - 7" of travel and still allow for a lower stance. Are there any specific problems or issues with drop axles?
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Re: How much travel do I need? Straight axle/drop axle?

Postby CarlLaFong » Tue Mar 19, 2013 1:32 pm

3 1/2 inches seems to be enough travel to me. Under normal use, it will never move much more than an inch or so. A big pothole may cause the axle to move upwards quite a bit more, but remember that the entire trailer will move upwards as well, so while a big shock may case the axle to move 6 inches it, probably, will not max out the spring
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Re: How much travel do I need? Straight axle/drop axle?

Postby Woodbutcher » Tue Mar 19, 2013 6:40 pm

Have you considered a torsion axle? My first trailer I used a Flexride Torsion axle. My memory says I ordered it from Southwest wheel in Texas. Could be wrong. They build it to your specs. The torsion axle uses no springs so it could be bolted/welded right to the frame. With 15" wheels you will find a comfortable ride height. The advantage of Flexride over other torsion axles is the torsion arms are adjustable. If you need to level the trailer because one side is heavier then the other is can be changed in 5 minutes.

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Re: How much travel do I need? Straight axle/drop axle?

Postby Martinjmpr » Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:26 pm

Woodbutcher wrote:Have you considered a torsion axle? My first trailer I used a Flexride Torsion axle. My memory says I ordered it from Southwest wheel in Texas. Could be wrong. They build it to your specs. The torsion axle uses no springs so it could be bolted/welded right to the frame. With 15" wheels you will find a comfortable ride height. The advantage of Flexride over other torsion axles is the torsion arms are adjustable. If you need to level the trailer because one side is heavier then the other is can be changed in 5 minutes.

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I considered a torsion axle but that would require major surgery on the frame, which is what I'm trying to avoid. With a straight beam axle I can do the swap myself, no disassembling the cabin of the trailer, no welding. Cost is also a factor.
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Re: How much travel do I need? Straight axle/drop axle?

Postby asianflava » Wed Mar 20, 2013 1:42 pm

Martinjmpr wrote:I considered a torsion axle but that would require major surgery on the frame, which is what I'm trying to avoid. With a straight beam axle I can do the swap myself, no disassembling the cabin of the trailer, no welding. Cost is also a factor.


Not much surgery involved, probably just removing the leaf spring perches. It will bolt right up to your original frame rails since you spec it out to your needs. From the pictures you have posted, everything you need to get to is exposed (don't know if you have a tank or a drop floor underneath). Your walls are flush with the rails so you don't have to notch them like I had to. Cost IS a factor, but you'll get exactly what you want. If you do go with a torsion, the popular setup is to get the 2000lb axle, then have it derated to 1200-1500lbs. Didn't know you could do that when I built mine so I have a 2000lb, it's way too much.

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Re: How much travel do I need? Straight axle/drop axle?

Postby TPMcGinty » Wed Mar 20, 2013 2:04 pm

I would put the axle on top of the existing leaf springs and try it out for a while before I spent a lot of money on a new suspension. But then again I'm cheap.
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Re: How much travel do I need? Straight axle/drop axle?

Postby 91kuhndog » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:06 am

Martin, take a look at what I fabricated under my TD build. Any trailer shop can put one together for you and they are reasonable to buy. Some people on here feqar these but I have have welded up more than 50 of these drop spindle axles without an issue. Plus, the advantage to these are, you can adjust the amount of drop you want on the trailer before there welded together. My particular axle is a 4" drop and I mounted it on top of the springs. I have 3.75" of room for movement, which is enough for a 1200# trailer. This design, built on a 2x2x 1/4" tube is rated for 3500#.

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