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Re: #1

Postby ghcoe » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:37 pm

Now on to the hatch.

My first experiment was to place the 1"x2" flashing around the rear hatch. I glued the flashing on with Gripper. I found that clamping the flashing on distorted it and it was a real pita to try and get it to lay flat along the edges. I finally figured out how to do it and it looked great. I clamped it on a Friday night and unclamped it a week later. The more I looked at it the more I did not like the fact that I could hear the Gripper stick and unstick when I pushed in on the flashing. So, after a week I knew that that Gripper was still wet inside. I did a bit of prying on the edges and yup it came loose fairly easily and yup it was still wet about a 1/4" in from the edges :thumbdown: .

My second experiment, with a test piece, was with Great Stuff to glue the flashing on. I then tried to pull the flashing off after just 6 hours. The great stuff had nearly full cure all the way to the core. Another few hours and it would have been full cured I believe. Another thing is that the GS expands and make a much better bond all the way across the flashing. So, I will be now using GS for this application. I do believe that over a few weeks that the Gripper will dry, but I do not have that long to wait.
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Re: #1

Postby GPW » Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:52 pm

George, experimenting ( a happy accident ) with the Gripper , we noticed it had quite an “open time” and when it was just starting to look dry (only a few minutes ) , we accidentally put another freshly primed piece across it , the next day it was stuck fast :o ... So we may want to prime both surfaces of things like foam to foam (non -porous) and give the gripper a chance to tack up slightly first , then join the parts ... sorta like contact cement .. It certainly would speed up the drying process, most of the solvent (water) evaporating during the "tack up" process. Just something else to try ... :thinking:

Been using Great Stuff on the new build ... It really is GREAT , like Super Glue for foam , and fills in those less than perfect fits... 8)

New build’s starting to come along , looking GREAT too !! :thumbsup: 8)
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Re: #1

Postby ghcoe » Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:26 pm

GPW wrote:George, experimenting ( a happy accident ) with the Gripper , we noticed it had quite an “open time” and when it was just starting to look dry (only a few minutes ) , we accidentally put another freshly primed piece across it , the next day it was stuck fast :o ... So we may want to prime both surfaces of things like foam to foam (non -porous) and give the gripper a chance to tack up slightly first , then join the parts ... sorta like contact cement .. It certainly would speed up the drying process, most of the solvent (water) evaporating during the "tack up" process. Just something else to try ... :thinking:

Been using Great Stuff on the new build ... It really is GREAT , like Super Glue for foam , and fills in those less than perfect fits... 8)

New build’s starting to come along , looking GREAT too !! :thumbsup: 8)


I did let it skin a bit before putting the pieces together, I had the same thought, kind of like contact cement. I knew that the flashing was going to be a bit of a test since it is not porous at all. Also, the fit was a bit uneven. I added a bit of extra Gripper in spots to make up the surface difference. I think that extra Gripper in low spots made up most of the problem. I think I could have just left it, but that sound got me too curious so it had to come apart. I think with time it would have gone to full cure.

I don't have a picture of the flashing on with the Gripper, but here is a shot of the test fit.

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Test fit
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When I use this flashing again I will probably just use the GS. I like it! It seems to work with everything foamy..... :thumbsup:

The Gripper seems to work the best for foam to foam applications. I like it for the big panels I am working with, but that is one nice smooth surface to another and I think it likes that.
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Re: #1

Postby ghcoe » Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:47 pm

So after removing the flashing I decided that it was maybe a bit of a overkill for that area. I wanted something a little lighter and a bit easier to work with. I found this dry wall edging that has a metal edge, but has paper attached that goes over the metal and extends on each side about a inch.

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Edge protector
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The paper gives the Gripper something to attach too and also it is porous so that the Gripper will dry much better.

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Ready to glue
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This was more like what I wanted. I painted the area on the foam that It was going to attach to and also the back side of the edging. Went on real nice.

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This makes for a nice smooth edge. I will probably use this along the top/front edge/hatch edge so I will not have to spend hours sanding and making sure everything is square. Also, I think it will make a nice crisp line that the canvas will wrap over.
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Re: #1

Postby ghcoe » Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:59 pm

Time to attach a galley inner wall to the outer wall. Got the Gripper out and painted both sides that will come in contact with each other.

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Getting ready
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Like discussed a bit earlier it seems the Gripper grips better if it is allowed to set up a bit before attaching the parts together.

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Gripper setting up
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Outer and inner galley walls are now one.... :thumbsup:

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Parts together
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Re: #1

Postby KCStudly » Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:43 am

Very innovative. :thumbsup: :applause:
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Re: #1

Postby wagondude » Sun Jun 30, 2013 2:07 pm

Nice idea with the corner bead. That's one that hadn't even crossed my mind. :thumbsup: Now I see many options with it (doors, hatches and such).
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Re: #1

Postby atahoekid » Mon Jul 01, 2013 12:29 am

That's some great thinking. I like the way you used the flashing. Wish I had thought of that!!! :beer: :beer:
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Re: #1

Postby ghcoe » Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:30 pm

thanks guys....
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Re: #1

Postby ghcoe » Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:35 pm

Playing some with the flashing around the door. Here is some shots.

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Outside
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I made it all one piece instead of the three separate pieces I had planed. Had to go with square corners instead of the rounded like originally planed.

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Re: #1

Postby GPW » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:29 am

George , just curious .... are you going to cover over the door flashing , or does that go on last ?... Sorry if I missed the details ... Just asking ... :thinking:
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Re: #1

Postby ghcoe » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:21 am

GPW wrote:George , just curious .... are you going to cover over the door flashing , or does that go on last ?... Sorry if I missed the details ... Just asking ... :thinking:


I think you could go both ways with that. I am planning to glue the flashing to the foam and then cover over it. I think it will give the trailer a cleaner look. Also, probably a bit stronger under the canvas since it would help hold it to the foam. If you wanted even more strength you could go under and over the canvas.

I am thinking about pop riveting a continuous hinge to the flashing now for my door hinges, rather than using the strap hinges I was planning...
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Re: #1

Postby GPW » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:34 am

Interesting door hinge idea !!! :thinking: Nice and Light , no wood to rot ... 8)
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Re: #1

Postby ghcoe » Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:03 pm

I did few things this long weekend with the foamie.

I had to extend my shelf cuts inside so that I can slide the shelves in from the door side. I was going to install the shelves first and then the roof, but it got mixed up a bit. I was not sure how wide I was going to go with the shelves with the door trim and all that. Being able to install from the door will let me set everything up before the cuts.

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Full cut
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The hatch fit pretty tight. I could get it off and on OK, but I did not like the fact that there was zero clearance between the hatch inner wall and the galley outer wall. Since I was planning to canvas this area too I figured I better get some extra clearance there. Also, this will allow the water to have a place to flow through, if any gets in.

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Hatch cut
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Took me a bit to figure out how I was going to cut that big a piece without making too much of a mess. Yup, came down to another hot wire cut. Came out pretty good.

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Hot wired
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Tomorrow I am going to try and get the hatch fully skinned and the front wall on. Been a bit hot around here some shop time is limited to mornings... :(
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Re: #1

Postby kudzu » Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:31 pm

ghcoe wrote:I am thinking about pop riveting a continuous hinge to the flashing now for my door hinges, rather than using the strap hinges I was planning...


Interesting! Wonder if that idea could be translated to a living hinge.
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