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Re: My Foamie Build--Updated 13 April 2012

Postby atahoekid » Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:57 pm

bonnie wrote:Still waiting on parts, so I've been noodling the particulars as best I can. From other builds, it looks like I'll need wood bracing and something pretty hard to mount the galley latch and the ball catch thingies. This may end up being a sandwich door type of thing. Haven't gotten that far yet.


I've been noodling around with door locks, hinges and the like too. I'm thinking of gluing a couple of wood blocks into the door foam at the proper locations. That should give the mounting screws plenty of bite. The blocks for the door lock are gonna have to be pretty heavy duty since the lock I bought is pretty hefty, but I think some dowels into the foam should help hold it up. I like your skeleton key idea. Way Cool! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: My Foamie Build--Updated 13 April 2012

Postby bonnie » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:26 pm

Sorry for the lag in replies. I'm on the road for business. I got the door latch right before I left. When I get home, some serious designing will happen. :) So, I have a question about the two point door latch. What holds the rods on? Cotter pins? Tiny ones? Or are they enclosed so they don't need them? Just wondering. I've never really looked closely at them. I still need to pick up the foam and the roller catch thingies. Eventually, I will need seals and such. Got a neat idea for the outside of the door too. :)

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Re: My Foamie Build--Updated 13 April 2012

Postby PcHistorian » Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:54 pm

to my knowledge there are usually flat "L" brackets, that the leg of the L gets bolted to the door and the top of the L has a hole in it for the rod to slide through. Probably one bracket near each rod tip and may or may not near the center turn mechanism. (since that end may be anchored by the turn mechanism.)

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Re: My Foamie Build--Updated 13 April 2012

Postby bonnie » Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:06 am

Had dinner with my brother and his wife last night. He liked the foam board model. We talked design and he suggested a four point connection idea for the 2 point hatch assembly. I'm going to try it when i get home. He also says thank you for all the kind words and suggestions about the project. Still on the road, but I really want to get started on this door!

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Oh, and I bought a y connector kit for the trailer. It will allow me to have easily disconnected running lights on the actual ttt box, but still be able to pull it off the trailer and store, when I need to use the trailer to haul stuff. No splices!
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Re: My Foamie Build--Updated 13 April 2012

Postby PcHistorian » Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:48 am

you are going to have a removable "residence" so you can have an "empty trailer" at times?

4 way connector, that sounds super cool. just change the bar at the handle where the rods attach to a disk of similar diameter, and attach the 4 rods at whatever points around the edge of the disk. cool thinking. is your brother doing one too?
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Re: My Foamie Build--Updated 13 April 2012

Postby bonnie » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:34 pm

PcHistorian wrote:you are going to have a removable "residence" so you can have an "empty trailer" at times?

4 way connector, that sounds super cool. just change the bar at the handle where the rods attach to a disk of similar diameter, and attach the 4 rods at whatever points around the edge of the disk. cool thinking. is your brother doing one too?



I'm hoping to be able to dual use the trailer, yes. At least that's the plan.

I'll be sure to document the 4-point locking system. Haven't quite got that figured, as of yet. :)

My brother will probably do one, but not until after I finish mine. :? He wants to see how it works. :)
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Re: My Foamie Build--Updated 13 April 2012

Postby SteveW » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:08 pm

bonnie wrote:Oh, and I bought a y connector kit for the trailer. It will allow me to have easily disconnected running lights on the actual ttt box, but still be able to pull it off the trailer and store, when I need to use the trailer to haul stuff. No splices!

Do you have a link to the kit? I'm looking to do the same.
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Re: My Foamie Build--Updated 13 April 2012

Postby bonnie » Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:14 pm

SteveW wrote:
bonnie wrote:Oh, and I bought a y connector kit for the trailer. It will allow me to have easily disconnected running lights on the actual ttt box, but still be able to pull it off the trailer and store, when I need to use the trailer to haul stuff. No splices!

Do you have a link to the kit? I'm looking to do the same.


Steve, we found it a Wally World last night. It was in the trailer section. I've never see one at my local WW. It is basically a y connected 4 pin setup. When I get home this weekend, I'll post some details. :)
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Re: My Foamie Build--Updated 13 April 2012

Postby PcHistorian » Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:35 pm

4 point lock down system for a foamie. I'd go with REALLY BIG wingnuts on bolts.

A. Now if you want the nuts inside, like in a cabinet, then weld the bolts to the trailer in the corners, pointing up. set the trailer down, after being hoisted up into the rafters of your garage on a pulley system. (that way the camper-box is up in the rafters and out of the way, then just back in the trailer, and lower the camper on the pulleys, (ratchet cable system) and you should be able to guide the camper-box onto the trailer with a bit of slack as you lower it.

B. If you don't want the wind nuts in the trailer, plan "B" is to have the bolts inside and pointing down, lower the camper box onto the trailer frame, put the BIG wingnuts on the bolt tips, under the trailer.

C. (Plan "C" is actually my favorite of the 3.) You know those flip over and twist hasps... put in the lock, big cotter pin/locking pin deal-ie. Mount those at the 4 corners, either sides or front/back corners, then flip down the latch and pin it.
(or have the latches on the trailer and flip them up and pin them. I'd use self-drilling metal screws. big ones. for the trailer side and then big long deck screws for the camper-box side. )

since they are not holding up the weight of the fully loaded camperbox (empty camperbox before hoisting) but only keeping the camper-box and trailer together while traveling (actually lifting the trailer frame to keep it with the camperbox when towing and you hit a really big bump.) with that in mind, I'd also consider small, half inch/inch tall guide pins to keep the two aligned during rough transport. sort of a 1/2 inch diameter hole up into the base edge wood, and a permanent fixed bolt coming up 1/2 inch, just to keep the box from sliding, once seated.

If you put the eyelets on the camper-box you can probably use them for the hoisting process, too.

if you put the eyes on the trailer you can use them for tiedown points for whatever else you put on it. (that's why I suggest REALLY BIG HASPS! :-)

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Re: My Foamie Build--Updated 13 April 2012

Postby Wobbly Wheels » Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:56 am

I'm hoping to be able to dual use the trailer, yes. At least that's the plan.


Just curious as I read through the thread (maybe I missed it), but it seems like camper jacks would be the simplest solution to get the shell off the frame. As long as the floor and corners can support the weight from below, you don't have to build in a load path for lifting points that way. Campers use chains down to belly bars to secure the box - a foamie build would be light enough and the moment arm short enough that you could probably use ratchet straps.
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I was looking at doing the same thing till my trailer began to morph into a bit of a giant for the foamie world. I was thinking about them for my own application and found a set of hydraulic ones for $100 on local CL. An even cheaper option would be to get a free camper (lots of them around, rarely advertised) and take them off. You'll also get a lot of the other little bits and bobs. The last camper I stripped out gave me all my appliances and windows and cost me $60 in dump fees when I was done.
A set of jacks brand new starts around $500 (eBay)

I'm enjoying the evolution of your door. An advantage of the octagonal (or round) door is that you'll have additional width at the shoulders when you're crawling in. I had thought about making my (6') door shaped like a coffin for the same reason, but it would put the hinge line on an angle that would always swing open. Then I thought about straight sides and clipping just the top corners, but square would allow me a bigger window so I went with that.
One thought: will you be able to get everything you need to in and out of the door in case something goes wrong later ?
Louella (eaglesdare) just posted about wrassling her new mattress into the trailer...had she not left it in the plastic till it was inside the door, it sounds like it would have probably gone in in pieces.
For me, a big part of the enjoyment is in the evolution of the design, so I'm enjoying reading everyone's ideas on this
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I too had thought about a pop top at one point, but I took an idea from a Catalina 22 that I used to sail:
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These move forward as they lift, but on your model the overhang between the edge of the roof section and the curb of the opening should give you enough travel to make it work. One of the best mods on that boat was to replace the fixed struts with gas shocks - mine took maybe a pound of force to lift and the shocks locked it in place when it was up.
Alternately, yours might be light enough to use a heavy window crank (scissor) at each end, though you'd probably still need stays at the side since it would be supported at only two points, though attaching the canvas under a bit of tension would work as well.

....back to lurking your thread now... :lol:
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Re: My Foamie Build--Updated 13 April 2012

Postby PcHistorian » Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:36 pm

@wobbly wheels, where do you get free trailers to part out?
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Re: My Foamie Build--Updated 13 April 2012

Postby Wobbly Wheels » Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:03 pm

Didn't want to hijack bonnie's thread so I shot you a PM.
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Re: My Foamie Build--Updated 13 April 2012

Postby PcHistorian » Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:37 pm

Bonnie, I finally got another digital camera and took the picture of the hinges for your door.
the unique thing about these hinges is that they move the door away from the wall when they open.

here the image on the left shows where the screws go when the door is closes, the red is the inside surface of the door.
on the right the door is opened, and the red still shows where the inside of the door would be, but notice the hinge expanded when it opened. I would guess you could get these at an Ikea store. or various hardware stores.

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it is sort of a combination hinge, and one of those reach things with the cris-cross sections... to extend the door away.
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Re: My Foamie Build--Updated 13 April 2012

Postby bonnie » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:55 am

SteveW wrote:
bonnie wrote:Oh, and I bought a y connector kit for the trailer. It will allow me to have easily disconnected running lights on the actual ttt box, but still be able to pull it off the trailer and store, when I need to use the trailer to haul stuff. No splices!

Do you have a link to the kit? I'm looking to do the same.



Hopkins Y-Harness #48245. 12ish bucks at Wally World. It's meant for trailer rewires.
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Re: My Foamie Build--Updated 13 April 2012

Postby bonnie » Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:07 am

I have found a fabricator in the area. I dropped off the drawing and specs for the Squidget trailer frame (love those plans!) and should be getting an estimate in a week or so. I'm having it estimated for 5x8 no bumper assembly. Thinking strongly about using adjustible 1/2 axles. Will save a bit of weight that way. The gentleman who owns the fabrication shop looked up at me and said he tends to overbuild things. Where have I heard that before? :lol: :lol:

No progress on the door. I had my debit card compromised and am now in the process of getting all the reports done, so my identity theft is documented. Pretty much cleaned out my account (lucky for me not much in there at present). Bank says the fraud investigation should only take a few days and then the money will be refunded. Waiting game. No buying parts for a bit.

I'm going to get back to the door this weekend. Anybody have a good link to how door knobs and locks work? I need to get an inside handle for the door. Hmmm. Still thinking out loud.
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