The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:26 pm

GPW, I considered it to be a lucky day.

Tony, you are welcome around my campfire anywhere, anytime. :thumbsup:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby tony.latham » Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:02 am

KCStudly wrote:GPW, I considered it to be a lucky day.

Tony, you are welcome around my campfire anywhere, anytime. :thumbsup:


I'll bring the creek water. ;)

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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby ghcoe » Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:50 am

tony.latham wrote:KC:

Your craftsmanship continues to amaze me. I hope to see that shovel in a camp somewhere, sometime. And I'm not talking about a camp photograph.

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Count me in on that too. (rootbeer) :beer:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby Wolffarmer » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:13 pm

ghcoe wrote:
tony.latham wrote:KC:

Your craftsmanship continues to amaze me. I hope to see that shovel in a camp somewhere, sometime. And I'm not talking about a camp photograph.

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Count me in on that too. (rootbeer) :beer:


Count me in on that also. But hold the roots please.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:25 pm

tony.latham wrote:My gut feeling is the folks that live in Elk City (and maybe Darby on the east side of the corridor) are going to see a migration of strange little tear-shaped trailers moving through their 'hoods over the next few years. A cult like occurrence. Curious looking travelers with a far-off focus on their faces. Polite people but different. "You ain't from around here, is ya?" All headed to the proverbial, but previously obscure Poet Creek Campground a long ways from nowhere. A place perhaps never seen by a Dodge diesel pulling a 32 foot generator-equipped Jayco. :shock:

:beer: :beer: :beer:


Still a good idea. :thumbsup:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby Atomic77 » Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:26 pm

So KC... Have you set a target date for Poet Creek? Or is it more of a happens when it happens sort of thing?
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:28 pm

I like to say that I am approaching my third annual deadline. :R

Truthfully, it is something I struggle with. I haven't been camping in, probably, 20 years. For me the build is as much about the process and the commitment to my vision as it is the end goal; the tribute to my dad. In a way, the process of the build is as much a part of the tribute as the trip will be; honoring his mechanical aptitude and ability to make something from nothing.

For me, the build is part of the journey. In my mind I'm committed to my vision for TPCE, or more the level of fit and finish; not perfect, but nice. Some things have blossomed in their level of detail (for example I knew I wanted shovel and axe mounts but didn't know what form those would take until recently), which is part of the problem I have trying to set a realistic finish date.

The other issue I have had, aside from not wanting to cut corners, is the winters. It may seem like I am avoiding the big picture parts of the build (and I suppose I do that at times until my confidence comes... not wanting to screw up or overlook prerequisites), but when it is too cold to glue I tend to look for smaller "bites" that I can chew on.

Call it lack of focus, call it procrastination, whatever. To me the build has become a lifestyle. The mind exercise of the project and the simple fact that craftsmanship can be mentally self-rewarding are what keep me going.

In the last couple of days I have diddled around with some fastener details for the tool mounts, and started another little "5/ct" camping equipment fabrication that I will keep to myself for now, but it is really hard to stay focused, be motivated and productive when the shop is only 39 deg F and your feet are cold.

I haven't given up on going this coming season... yet, but again it will probably be pushing it.

I did a mock-up of the axe mounts tonight and was not happy with the lower one. I couldn't tip the head out very far from the coped section of the upper before the end of the handle started to bind in the lower bracket. This would put a high leverage on the lower mounting bolts. I could open up the clearances, but then the axe handle could rattle and chafe going down the road. I could also decrease the amount of insertion, but I'm not sure I like that plan. I also decided on how I will make the hasps, so I think I might carry that style to the lower axe mount and see if it works better. And now I've had another idea on how I might get the maple to work

...and on it goes.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby tony.latham » Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:18 am

I haven't given up on going this coming season... yet, but again it will probably be pushing it.




NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! The echo boomed through the canyon...

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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:43 am

Okay, okay. I get the message. Focus on campable. :oops:

I'll get going on the front blocking (can glue those at home) and I can cut in the J-box for the upper rear cabinet. Despite the possibility of inducing electrical noise from the vent fan, I think I will run those wires along the same route as the power leads for the fan. That will minimize the number of spars that will have to have holes drilled in them. No easy way to do this later, and it is something that has to happen before the foam goes on.

So much to do.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:21 am

Interesting issue to be aware of, PVC electrical wire insulation plasticizers don't play nice with polystyrene.

My take on the technical white paper (linked a few post down in the above link) is that the hazard is theoretical (I'm a little skeptical that the hoopla has been generated by lobbies for the guy who is trying to break into the safe plasticizers market :roll: ).

According to the article, you would need to have enough heat buildup in the wires to drive the plasticizers out of the wiring, then you would have to flex the wires enough to crack the insulation, and it would take about 50 years to become a problem. If I had known this before I might have lined my foam wire ways with foil tape, but I don't have much concern.

By over sizing all of my wires, and keeping the large bundle of low draw LED circuits separated from the higher draw vent fan and hatch actuator circuits, I doubt I will see the level of temperature rise required to initiate this phenomenon. Still, once everything is "lit up" I will keep an eye on my trouble spot, "grand central station", to make sure I don't see any objectionable temperature rise. My higher load wires also have an outer jacket. I'll have to go back and look at this and see if they are labelled for high temp service, maybe see if that jacket is something other than PVC. I think it is an abrasion resistant feature(?).
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:29 pm

Made good progress on the “secret camping accessory” (details and pics once complete), then finalized the tool mount bolt locations and made forward progress on the tool mount blocking.

Each of the four blocks, one up and one down for both the shovel and axe, will consist of two slabs of 1x glued (or laminated) together to match the 1-1/2 inch thickness of the foam. Before gluing, I will drill and counterbore for 5/16-18 barbed thread inserts that will be sandwiched in the glue layer. That way the bolt holes won’t go all the way thru to the inner wall skin, preventing the bolt tips from accidentally poking thru the wall. Also, I figure that it will be easier to seal against water intrusion.

Here are the pairs of blocks all laid out and ready to be drilled.
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It is a little step, but it feels like I am headed back in the right direction. Unfortunately, the temperature is supposed to get colder tomorrow.

Moving on.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby S. Heisley » Sat Jan 17, 2015 4:53 pm

Maybe, ... just maybe a foamie can be more work to build than a standard wood camp trailer. :thinking:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby GPW » Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:06 pm

just possibly it could depend on who's building it ... :R :roll:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby Atomic77 » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:45 pm

GPW wrote:just possibly it could depend on who's building it ... :R :roll:

Isn't that the truth! ;)
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:57 pm

Hmm, not sure what to think about that. I think it is comparable to any other random first time build. Some get a lot of attention to design and details and come out really nice, though take a long time. Some go together quickly, but may not be as well finished or have as many features, like a simple plywood floor instead of an insulated built up one. Only a very few well experienced builders are able to have the best of it all with a high degree of craftsmanship, fit and finish, and lots of custom touches in a short build time. Not me. Oh well.

I think there are a few things that are contributing to the time factor on this build. First and foremost is probably my nature. I sweat the details and try to work to a high level of accuracy.

Secondly, the wood finishing and the fact that I chose to use contrasting stains and wood species; light Maple and dark Okoume. Keeping these two separate and the extra effort to mask glue areas during finishing and assembly has been very tedious and time consuming work, but I love the results! A single color of paint applied after assembly would have been so much easier and quicker.

Third, I sure do recall becoming extremely bored with the tedium of installing all of the wood blocking that was let into the foam. Despite doing several at a time, it seemed like that phase went on forever.

Lastly, I would say that the special features that I am incorporating have taken more time than a basic build; things like the front locker, battery box built into the TB, the flush mount windows in the homemade doors, and, I guess, these external tool mounts.

Like I have said before, I probably have more time and gas money into my daily commute to Mecca than most people have in their whole build! :lol:

Today I continued with the blocking for the shovel and axe mounting brackets. I used the milling machine to counterbore (7/8 inch Forstner) and drill (3/8 inch) for the 5/16-18UNC thread inserts. Here you can see some of the counterbores and some with inserts installed. These are the backs of the outer layer of the 4 different blocks. (The wood is a little rag-tag with some extra screw holes as it was formerly used as a router template.)
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Before gluing to the second piece I lined them each up and used a close fitting drill bit to transfer the centers of the thread inserts. Note the match marks on the edges in the first pic and the bit marks circled in the second.
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Next I used a 3/8 inch Forstner bit to drill part way thru the second block providing a place for the tips of the bolts to stick thru. Used the little stick with pencil mark as a dip stick to creep up on the desired depth.
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In my twisted way of over complicating things, my logic is that it will be easier to seal and isolate these penetrations from the rest of the front wall by keeping these holes blind. The plan is to saturate the holes with “the mix” after gluing the blocks together.

I used PL to glue the assemblies and clamped them to an out of the way corner of the bench.
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I did a quickie sanding job on the TB spackle with 220 grit, but forgot the tub of spackle at home, so was unable to apply a second round.

Next I laid out the location of the blocking for the shovel handle mount. The spade on the shovel is only slightly narrower than the space between the side wall and side of the locker bump out, so I took special care to center the mount so the spade won’t interfere with the lid on the TB when it is tipped back.

I used the steak knife to slice around the perimeter and was happy that the piece seemed well attached and didn’t want to just fall out. I figured I would have to work at it with a chisel, but after just three stabs and a couple of hits with the mallet the whole piece popped out.
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There was glue on the wood and glue on the foam, but no sign of foam being torn. Not sure if that means I didn’t have good clamping force, or what. These lower front areas will be captured under the rock guards, so there is no need to worry or rip them out, but I will definitely be using different glue for the rest of the foam.

I ended the session by disassembling the brown Moonlighter kerosene heater and pulling the wick out; time for a new one.
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