The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:46 pm

Let me guess, you had something fiberglass in the shed when it burned down? Do tell.

Just to be clear, I wasn't heating the FG areas, I was heating the foam areas on the hatch to relieve dents prior to applying FG.

In other news, we had a lovely Easter dinner at mom and Bill’s last night with Karl and my aunt Sandra joining us. (Karl’s wife Chris was visiting a friend in Florida.)

Mom always sets a colorful holiday table.
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We started with an appetizer of button mushrooms topped with a mild cheese and reduced balsamic vinegar that had perhaps minced shallots in it, broiled slightly.
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The main entrée was boneless leg of lamb done rotisserie style on the gas grill.
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Side dishes included: bulgur wheat and brown rice with almond slivers that had been sautéed in butter with diced scallions, and diced dried apricots…
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Broiled asparagus with a garlic oil (or butter?) topping…
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A mixed green salad with grape tomatoes and diced carrots…
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Graber olives…
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… and mint sauce.
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Put it all together and it made a very delicious meal.
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The table decorations included malted milk M&M’s...
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and for dessert, which I forgot to take a picture of, Sandra brought macerated fresh sliced strawberries with a dollop of whipped cream and a little grated lemon zest. I think there may have been some sweet balsamic vinegar in there, too. This was served in green depression era glass sherbet dishes on matching dessert plates, the same/similar pattern as the candy dishes.

Everyone agreed that it was all very delicious and we all had a very pleasant evening!
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby GPW » Mon Mar 28, 2016 2:22 pm

:thumbsup: 8) :D
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby Wolffarmer » Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:56 pm

My 1974 BMW bike had a set of Wixom saddle bags what I was given in 1975. Also a fiberglass military seat base. Stuff was melted all around them but they came out okay.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby capnTelescope » Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:57 pm

Store bought mint sauce?! :shock: :lol:

Still beats the heck outa my Easter Dinner! :thumbsup: :applause:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Wed Mar 30, 2016 11:56 pm

So a lot of the work I have been doing doesn’t really photograph very well; washing amine, sanding FG patches fair, sanding fairing filler, etc., but I will give it a try.

On Monday the patches on the hatch and under the curb side floor worked well and sanded out fine. Here is that section of the curb side hatch edge and side wall overwrap that I patched back in. This is the top seam overlap after sanding fair.
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And the lower seam.
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The mess I left where the patch overlapped the wall again sanded out fairly easily. When it started to break back thru where I had trimmed the bad stuff away I knew I was back to fair again.
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Those little circular filler patches above the outer clearance lights cleaned up well. There are still a few low spots here and there, but the highs are all knocked down. Curb side first looking forward…
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… and then the street side looking back.
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Here’s a close up of that large-ish fish eye on the curb side wall that I drilled and injected. Not fully filled. All I can figure is that I either didn’t get it filled (it is often hard to see these voids unless the lighting is exact and you are at the optimum viewing angle); or the epoxy leaked back out under the tape (you can see some of that here); or perhaps there were two voids, one under both plies and a second between them. Dunno. I’ll come back to this later.
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Tonight I had planned to get the cloth cut for the hatch main layup, but it ended up taking a lot longer than I had thought it would to noodle out the bias cuts so as not to waste any more glass than necessary. It took a few sketches, some scale drawings, and a little “paper doll” cut-and-try to optimize.

Here’s what I came up with. The paper on the left represents the glass cloth as it comes off the roll with the bias cut layout (graph paper grid lines match weave). The one on the right represents how it will be laid on the hatch with 1-1/2 inch overlaps at the seams.
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The following sequence should clarify.
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Again, working with cloth that is bigger than the cutting table. I made an adjustment to the cloth roll holder to move it a little further back on the table. This increased the length I could reference from a nominal 36 inches up enough that I could get the first main bias cut mark at 40-3/8 inch.

I marked some of the bias cuts on the plastic…
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… rolled some of the cloth out and traced over the layout lines with a straight edge.
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These are actually reenactment pics so the cloth wasn’t brushed out as flat and square here as it was when I marked it initially. I used my reference marks on the table to index at 36 inches, then pull those marks to the edge of the table and folded the first section up loosely at the front of the table. That allowed me to increment and make marks at 72 inches.

When the end of the long bias cut line aligned to the front edge of the table I folded it all back to the rear again and made another long reference line on the table running from the corner of the bench back across the cloth; then folded it back open again and made that mark on the glass.
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From there I could measure off the last section, mark some of the smaller cuts at the top of the cloth and make the cross cut.
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With the bulk of the ply folded up on the front of the bench, rather than trying to jumble it back and get it rolled onto a second cardboard tube, I lapped it on to the stock roll and rolled it back onto the reel for safe keeping, and to make it easier to cover up for the night.

Now that the lines are laid out I can make the cuts w/o having to worry about disturbing the lay of the cloth as I cut it. Accuracy is locked in.

If it seems complex, I guess it is, with plenty of opportunities to mess up! But I think I got it right.

The second ply, by comparison, is about as easy as it can get; just a straight rectangle at full width of the roll… unless I change my mind and decide to do the second ply on the bias, reversing this pattern so that the seams cancel each other out (i.e. having uninterrupted bias strands in both diagonal directions).
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby capnTelescope » Thu Mar 31, 2016 1:36 am

KCStudly wrote:If it seems complex...

It does because it is. :? I have to salute you for putting yourself through all this. Just watching makes my brain break into a sweat. :sweaty:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby Wolffarmer » Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:06 am

Better Kevin than I.

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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Thu Mar 31, 2016 7:14 am

I like over thinking things. :? It's like solving a big puzzle all of the time. :R

The journey is the destination.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby capnTelescope » Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:14 am

KCStudly wrote:I like over thinking things. :?

We've noticed. It's who you are. :D Sorry for the cliche. :roll:

KCStudly wrote: It's like solving a big puzzle all of the time.

Umm. Have you tried Sudoku? Eventually, you solve the puzzle. and go on to another. :R

Wolffarmer wrote:Better Kevin than I.

Me too, Randy. I've got it too, just not as bad.

OK. Enough cracks from this section of the Peanut Gallery.

Ever onward, KC. :beer:

P.S. Take a few short trips before you head to Poet Creek. You'll find plenty of things you never thought of that you can overthink to get it just right.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby TheOtherSean » Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:32 am

Keep up the great work. You seem to have picked up the pace. At this rate, you may be finished some year soon. :lol:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:18 am

I deserve all of it. :lol:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:46 am

Brad, Sudoku and crossword puzzles are how I keep my mind busy when I'm trying to relax while sitting in front of the boob tube. I have so little patience for the commercials that I pick up a puzzle, then end up only half paying attention to the tube. :? ;)
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby capnTelescope » Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:51 pm

KCStudly wrote: I have so little patience for the commercials ...

That's both of us. :thumbsup: I just hate it when the commercial breaks are longer than the movie breaks. Or seem that way.

http://sudoku.com.au/ is my morning coffee thing. Netflix, YouTube & Amazon video for watching stuff. And Youtube is pushing the the limits lately. :fb
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby GPW » Thu Mar 31, 2016 5:10 pm

We tried to politely warn you of the intricacies of Fiberglassing .... just sayin’ .... :roll:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:13 pm

GPW wrote:We tried to politely warn you of the intricacies of Fiberglassing .... just sayin’ .... :roll:

True 'dat... butttttt, it can be made much more homogeneous, so I like the fact that I can add, subtract, and hide seams more easily. At least that is my perception after sanding, sanding, sanding, until my shoulder lets me know it. :R Still, I’m not regretting the decision, and would have most likely found a way to complicate a canvas job if I had gone that way, too.

Tonight I did more glass prep. I unrolled and cut the bias pattern out for the hatch, then rolled the big piece up on my spare cardboard tube in the orientation that it will be rolled out onto the hatch; and folded the smaller pieces up loosely.

Then I reeled off and cut the 75-1/2 inches for the second zero bias ply. This I just folded loosely. I decided against the reverse pattern bias version after considering the complication was uncalled for (can you say “reality check”?).

Next up I cut a piece of plastic sheet somewhat larger than the template I made previously for the locker bump out. Taped that to the bench right over the existing plastic cover. This will become the “pre-preg” cutting template and transfer medium for the single ply of glass cloth.

Traced the rosin paper pattern onto the plastic and made a few extra reference lines to aid in alignment during placement.
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Rough cut a single ply of cloth to cover the pattern with a little extra around the edges. I decided one ply would be more than enough because the bump out is solid pine and everywhere this ply wraps onto the front wall has been or will be overlapped by two additional plies, if not an extra strip of 9oz tape (which is looking less and less necessary).
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Rolled the cloth right up in the plastic for safe keeping.
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Tonight’s efforts ready to be covered for the night.
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The weather today was fairly warm, but the forecast heading into the weekend is for cooler and possible rain. That suits me as long as the humidity in the loft stays reasonable.

Tomorrow I’ll mix a little thickened 3min epoxy to fill a few last minute pits in the hatch foam. Some of the smaller splats and drips of epoxy are easier to pluck from the foam than they are to sand properly, but that tends to pull a small chunk of foam out with it, so you get pits that need to be filled; otherwise you will have voids under the glass. I’m tempted to try a runny slurry of slightly thick epoxy for the wet coat when laying the first ply of glass, but I’ve had that squish around under the squeegee and make ripples before.

I’ll decide whether to use the fast or slow hardener depending on the weather.
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