I found it.

[Gage]

........ well , tell us, what made you think of the Fan ??? or maybe it was idleing and blowing bugs out through the Grill...............

Well, while rechecking everything, timing, vacuum, etc, etc. In clicking the ignition we noticed that the fan was wrong. The fan was a replacement for the one that came off my 352 (took out of the wagon) because it had several cracks. Never gave the blade direction a second look. Next time I'll check closer. Wrote a letter to 'Chief Auto' Corp. to let them know what I though about thier customer service and that the way things stand right now, I doubt if I and friends will be doing any more business with them. Have to wait and see what happens.

I've used many a Ford 9" rear end and they turn the same way sa Chevys...

The new/used fan that I put on the 390 was taken from a Nova Pro-street that my partner in crime is building. So I guess Fords and Chevy's turn the same way. But don't tell anyone about the chevy part on my Ford. And your right, who really checks the fan direction.

[sledge]

Ohhhhhhhhh ok , you know podunkfla had a real good question, and one I never thought of before , every hot rodder in the past 50 years has had a 9" ford in something. so did the old Fordamatic change direction inside .... or do most people really run them backwards .. I used to be a big Ford Fan myself . I had a 57 with a 312 for several years. AND I had the only 55 Monterey with the little short hard top, I have heard them called a Carson Top. but not sure why...

[sledge]

here is a picture of me when I was 12 years old I know , hard to believe I used to look so much better than I do now .... but..... this is a 52 ford my Dad owned , with the same little short 2 door hard top.




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[Podunkfla]

Ohhhhhhhhh ok , you know podunkfla had a real good question, and one I never thought of before , every hot rodder in the past 50 years has had a 9" ford in something. so did the old Fordamatic change direction inside .... or do most people really run them backwards .. I used to be a big Ford Fan myself . I had a 57 with a 312 for several years. AND I had the only 55 Monterey with the little short hard top, I have heard them called a Carson Top. but not sure why...

Yep Sledge... That's gonna bug me for a while too. I'm definately going to bring that up at our next cruise in of old geezers with hot rods.

[kerryd]

I kind of did the same thing . Put a 72 motor in a 88 chevy truck . Bolted the front plate off of the 88 ( alt . ac , power st. ) on to the 72 and the serpentine belt turned the water pump backwards . Took awhile . Kerry

[Gage]

Mini Renegade, you need to read all postings in this thread before you start typing. And I'll say it again, the fan was on correctly. The fan was packed in the wrong box by the factory and there are probably several more out there.

And for others that didn't notice what fan I installed to fix my problem. Early Ford's and Chevy's turn in the same direction. I don't know about the newer ones.

[Gage]

What happened to Mini Renegade's post? Somebody trying to make me look like a fool, talking to myself

[Podunkfla]

What happened to Mini Renegade's post? Somebody trying to make me look like a fool, talking to myself

Couldn't stand the heat?

And then some of us have already been issued out horns and pitch forks... :twisted:

[AlaskaJack]

I'm gonna crawl out on a limb here but..... I think all American automobile engines rotate in the same direction! (...still can't find "proof" ... but I'm looking!) For sure the distributor, cam(s) and belt driven accessories can turn in different directions... depending on their physical placement/gearing/pully arangement, etc.

I did find one little pdf blurb from a Smithsonian article (geared towords little kids!) that made that statement.... but I need better info!

I know that some internal combustion engines for twin engine airplanes run "backwards" (*turn the other direction*) (example: Piper Navajo Chieftan, and various marine engines, etc.) but still can't find any HARD FACTS stating that all auto engines turn the same way...... but I think they do! ..... at least in Merica.

Still searching......

edited to add:
Odd.... but most info comes from marine engine sites.... they reference the "standard" rotation as being clockwise when viewed from the front, and "non-standard" as counter clockwise rotation.

[Podunkfla]

I'm gonna crawl out on a limb here but..... I think all American automobile engines rotate in the same direction! (...still can't find "proof" ... but I'm looking!) For sure the distributor, cam(s) and belt driven accessories can turn in different directions... depending on their physical placement/gearing/pully arangement, etc.

I did find one little pdf blurb from a Smithsonian article (geared towords little kids!) that made that statement.... but I need better info!

I know that some internal combustion engines for twin engine airplanes run "backwards" (*turn the other direction*) (example: Piper Navajo Chieftan, and various marine engines, etc.) but still can't find any HARD FACTS stating that all auto engines turn the same way...... but I think they do! ..... at least in Merica.

Still searching......

edited to add:
Odd.... but most info comes from marine engine sites.... they reference the "standard" rotation as being clockwise when viewed from the front, and "non-standard" as counter clockwise rotation.

Alaskajack... Basicly, you're saying Gage is an idiot? Just too dumb to tell which way his fan is turning in a standard pully setup you can see in his pics? My guess is you may indeed have some more homework to do...

Or maybe I'm the one with the homework to do? Hmmm... I can't find anything about any Ford engine retating backwards either? At least not on google... I really believe him when he said his fan turns counterclockwise... My question is why? and How? I guess that was what I was origionally wondering about... How the tranny and rear ends could work if the engine turns backwards from all other cars. (Well, some Hondas and volvos evidently do run backwards?).

More curious than ever...

[asianflava]

It's not a Ford but Honda engines (EW, D, & B series) run backward. The newer ones run the normal direction.

I found out for myself when a buddy of mine told me that removing the crank pulley is easy He siad to put the breaker bar on the ground and blip the starter. Well, that works for a Toyota (he's a Toyota mechanic) but not for Hondas.

[Elumia]

Not sure how they do it, but Marine versions of automobile engines can be set up in reverse rotation for dual prop cruisers such as older Chriscrafts with inboard engines. You want them to turn in oppposite directions or the boat will drift.

Mark

[Podunkfla]

Not sure how they do it, but Marine versions of automobile engines can be set up in reverse rotation for dual prop cruisers such as older Chriscrafts with inboard engines. You want them to turn in oppposite directions or the boat will drift.

Mark

I had a '57 ChrisCraft 36... and it had two Chevy in-line sixes. One did have to have a different waterpump, starter and camshaft. The waterpump was easy to fix... The starter and cam was quite spendy as I remember.

[Gage]

Alaskajack... Basicly, you're saying Gage is an idiot? Just too dumb to tell which way his fan is turning in a standard pully setup you can see in his pics? My guess is you may indeed have some more homework to do...

I'll bet you that Alaskajack went out and checked his car to see which way his fan was going. And then decided to research it to find out why. You know sometimes working on your own cars and knowing what your doing you don't check the obvious. And like I said up front, it was dumb. I should have spotted it right off the bat. To many things going like making brackets and installing a alternator, making new throttle linkage for the new non stock carburetor and then making a shift down linkage from carb to trans. (wagon never had one).Who knows, maybe I am an idiot. But I didn't take the easy way out and just install a chevy motor in the wagon.

And Brick, I didn't say my engine ran counter clockwise. I said the fan was built to go counter clockwise. And that is why I was having the problem. I didn't notice it. It was pushing hot air back through the radiator. Like youself, I also have worked on cars for some time now. That's how I knew that a chevy fan would work. Just had to move the 4 attach holes in towards center a little. Right now I have a high efficient chevy flex fan on it. And it works good. Now to fix the heater and install the heater hoses so I'll have another radiator to help out with the cooling.

[Podunkfla]

I had a 74 Dodge once... an ex cop car with a 440 in it. It also had a huge Leese-Neville alternator you could arc weld with! Anyhoo, I replaced the water pump with a new one (not a rebuild). It worked OK around town, but out on the highway it would run hot? I had the 4 row radiator checked and cleaned... didn't help much. I was getting very frustrated... about ready to tear the engine down thinking I must have a cracked block or something? The radiator guy assured me I didn't? I finally took the waterpump off thinking maybe I screwed up the gasket or something? Even with it off I was still stumped. So I took the pump back to my buddy at Allied auto pieces to see if he could ge me some kind of a "high flow" pump or something? He got out another stock pump and you could see my impeller was backwards. Arrrgg! Was probably made for a marine application... who knows?
At least it was finally fixed.

Well sort of it turns out.
Now... the rest of the story. About three months later that new waterpump seized up solid doing about 75 on the interstate! Broke the front out of the pump. Took out the radiator, tranny cooler lines and the hood was cut open with the blade stuck in it. Double Arrrgg! Believe it or not, the parts wholesaler, United Parts Warehouse in Jax fixed my car free! Was prolly a good thing I had a friend in the auto pieces business.