Fiberglass Quantity question for you glassers?

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Postby rasp » Sat Feb 21, 2009 2:11 pm

information pulled from a epoxy site.

Different amounts of resin are required to wet out different forms of fiberglass. For example, one gallon of resin will wet out approximately the following amounts of fiberglass:

40 square foot of 8 to 10 oz. cloth

50 square foot of ¾ oz. mat

30 square foot of 1½ oz. mat

35 square foot of 24 oz roving

In the event successive layers of glass are laid up before previous layers gelled, coverage will be greater.


The percentage of glass to resin in various laminates is:

Type of Fiberglass %Glass %Resin

Chopped Glass Lay-Up 25 75

Mat Lay-Up 30 70

Woven Roving Lay-Up 40 60

Cloth Laminate 45 55

The weight of a finished fiberglass and resin laminate is approximately:

Thickness Weight

1/4" 2 lb.

1/8" 1 lb.

1/16" 1/2 lb.

The above figures will vary depending upon the worker, thickness of laminate, and method used. In general, the higher the percentage of glass, the stronger the laminate.
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Postby Esteban » Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:45 pm

I used more epoxy than other people may need to because I've used epoxy in more areas than just the sides, roof and galley lid. I epoxied both the bottom and top of the floor to seal and water proof them. That was not a boo boo. The epoxy set up well. Thought I was off to a good start as an epoxying newbie.

I boo booed the driver's side wall twice.

The first time, about May or June 2008, I rolled on epoxy without any fiberglass cloth to wet out the plywood and begin filling in staple divots with an epoxy and micro balloon mixture. Within a few hours it seemed to begin hardening OK to the green stage. After 3 or so days it was still a little green when i pressed my finger nail into it. It gummed up sandpaper when I tried sanding it. So one miserable day later I sanded and scraped all the epoxy off.

I tried to measure the epoxy and hardener carefully but did notice I seemed to be using up the hardener supply a little faster than the epoxy. At the time I didn't think it mattered too much. (Wrong.)

About June or July 2008 I fiberglassed the side (the first time with cloth). I again wet out the fiberglass cloth on that side with a half roller and a squeegee. Let it set up to green and then rolled on 2 or 3 more coats. The top coats set up nice and hard. Did preliminary sanding to smooth the side. Yippee, it seemed to be OK this time. Life intruded so work on the TD slowed.

Recently I sanded the side again in preparation to begin fairing it with mixture of micro balloons and epoxy. I accidentally sanded through some of the fiberglass and encountered gummyness in the lowest layer of epoxy. Was very, very bummed out that after 8 or so months again some epoxy had not set up. So I took off all the fiberglass down to solid wood.

I didn't have enough epoxy to complete all the fiberglassing ahead so I ordered another 3 gallon kit. This time with half fast hardener and half slow hardener. My first kit had all slow hardener.

I've now fiberglassed the driver's side wall a second time. Squeegeed and rolled on the epoxy and fiberglass. Used only fast hardener. It's all set up OK. It came out a little bumpy. Sanded the whole side to smooth it some and to key it for more epoxy and micro balloons. I've filled in most low spots with the mixture of epoxy and micro balloons. OK again. More sanding. I've begun applying an overall smooth coat of epoxy and micro balloons so I can sand the whole side flat and smooth enough to be ready to paint later. So far so good.

With an extra large supply of epoxy I'll use some of it to seal the plywood inside the sandwich walls. May use epoxy instead of glue to attach the 1/8" birch plywood inside the cabin.

If I have some epoxy left over after the TD is done I have some wood rot I need to repair around the windows and eaves of a rental house. So any "extra" will not go to waste. Except for my boo boos.

Added information. My walls are 54" tall and about 11' long. After the 4 oz. cloth was wet out it took about 15 oz. of epoxy for each additional coat. I didn't keep track how much epoxy it took to wet out the fiberglass cloth. It probably was at least twice as much. Before the cloth was wet out I first applied a sealing coat and let it dry to a green stage. This also took more than 15 oz.
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Postby doug hodder » Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:01 pm

I'd highly recommend the metered pumps. They're fool proof. Doug
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Postby Steve_Cox » Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:53 pm

I've been using West Epoxy for almost 15 years, Doug is right, the metering pump system is the way to go. West uses a one to one pump ratio. So easy even I can do it :lol: I use the yellow foam rollers too, usually cut the 7" roller in half and put it on a 3" roller frame, I mix small batches, pour them on flat work and spread with the roller. I usually mix batches fast enough to use the same container and stir stick. If you mix a big batch it will heat up pretty fast in the mix container, that's why I usually stick to a max of 3 or 4 pump batches of resin and hardener. Just the way I do it.
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Epoxy pumps are good and accurate

Postby Esteban » Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:19 pm

I've started using Raka's metered pumps. When I check the lines on the mixing cups the pumps seem to be spot on. Each full push dispenses an ounce. The pumps fit either Raka's gallon or half gallon containers. On the gallons they can't pump much lower than the top half. They reach deeper into the half gallon containers. I'm learning. This is an entirely new skill. I'm just beginning to practice "fairing." A plastic rubber padded drywall sander works pretty well to knock off high spots and to find the low ones. When hand sanding with it the sanding dust accumulates in the low spots, giving me a clue what areas need more filling. Am using a powered orbital sander for bulk sanding. May need to buy, or make, a longer fairing hand sander to get it all filled, flat, smooth, and ready to paint. Unfortunately my air compressor doesn't have enough GPM to power an air board sander.

Hope that sharing some of my boo boos and successes help others with their fiberglassing and/or epoxying.

It's a little too chilly today to do any more fiberglassing or fairing with the garage doors open. Have to make another run to Home Depot for more supplies...and helping to keep Ron Dickey employed. Their paint dept. has a plastic edging tool that works well for spreading the fairing mixture.
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Postby doug hodder » Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:31 pm

Steve...if you use a West foam roller to apply the epoxy, you can take another roller and slice it so that you have something you can hold in a spring clamp and back drag the epoxy. When you do that, it knocks down all the high spots and will flow out for you, making the surface smoother and much easier to sand next time. The HD grey foam rollers will break up in the epoxy, so beware, at least that's my experience. Mixing in and using a roller pan with a disposable liner is handy also. It disperses the material and won't let the heat build and flash off your material as fast. The liners will break out the epoxy and you can use them over and over.

Seems kinda funky to me on the metering pumps. I'd think they'd offer a pump that fits the gallon cans, but how about slipping on a piece of clear plastic hose on the suction end that will reach into the bottom of the can? Is it 1 pump of resin to 1 pump of catalyst, or do you need to count each to get your ratio? Doug
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Postby john » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:00 pm

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Postby Esteban » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:08 pm

Doug,

Thanks for reminding me/us about cutting roller covers into flat sections to use for tipping off. I'd forgotten about that. I'm using roller covers purchased from Raka for spreading epoxy. I cut them in half and use a short roller. When I roll out epoxy they tend to leave uneven wet marks where the covers are joined together. Your tipping reminder will help. I've been using foam brushes for tipping. The better I get at tipping the less sanding there will be to do later. A reduced PITB.

Raka's regular epoxy uses a 2 part (epoxy) to 1 part (hardener) ratio. Their pumps meter out an ounce per full pump stroke. So, yes, you need to keep count. I do the count. Then double check the mixing cup marks to see I've counted right. It's real easy to get distracted and goof. So I always pump out my full count of epoxy, check the cup to see that my count matches the oz. marks in the mixing cup, then pump out half as many strokes of hardener, then check the cup again to see that I have the right total number of ounces. ie: 2 to 1 = 3 oz., 4 to 2 = 6 oz., 6 to 3 = 9 oz., 8 to 4 = 12 oz. are my regular mix ratios. I'm learning, to be less easily distracted, to follow consistent steps when pumping and mixing epoxy.

Boo boos are co$tly and time wasters, not to mention PITBs to do over.
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Postby Lou Park » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:35 pm

Do any of you that have done fiberglass, use peel ply?
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Postby doug hodder » Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:49 pm

Steve...do try tipping using a roller cover. You can apply more pressure and smooth better than with a foam brush. I also learned that when you remove your roller cover from the handle, give it a squirt of WD40 on the moving parts after wiping off the major stuff...won't glue up a roller handle.
Check it out... http://www.westsystem.com/ss/barrier-coating/

Lou...sorry, I don't know what "peel ply" is. Doug
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