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[RC]

Family Wagon of the Future: The Detachable ‘COLIM’ Concept Camper-Car.

Interesting concept, but that gap will have to go up some -- imagine what happens if the car has to go up something like a driveway, over a speed bump or a dip in the road.

So will the gap behind the car. Since the interface between the trailer and car is flat, I can't see how the darned thing would ever be able to turn corners, especially with 6 wheels like that.

[john]

It may throw off the steering geometry but I assumed retractable rear wheels on the car when hooked to the "trailer" was the idea in the sketch.

[danlott]

The rear wheels are intended to retract. Here is the website with more pictures.

http://www.tuvie.com/colim-concept-a-cool-combination-of-a-car-and-a-caravan-camper

[kennyrayandersen]

It may throw off the steering geometry but I assumed retractable rear wheels on the car when hooked to the "trailer" was the idea in the sketch.

I see what you are pointing out which makes the front suspension much more complicated as it now has to reset itself for two very different weights, whereas if the front pod merely acts as a tow vehicle, the rear wheel location of the aft unit could be brought forward a bit so that the weight the front unit has to bear would not alter the suspension requirements much which would simplify it considerably.

Not as much of a 'gizmo', but apparently a bit more realistic

[RC]

The rear wheels are intended to retract. Here is the website with more pictures.

http://www.tuvie.com/colim-concept-a-cool-combination-of-a-car-and-a-caravan-camper

That clears it up considerably. Thanks...

[regis101]

A 'lil somethin' somethin'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56XL0TysIn0

[Ron Dickey]

the family wagon of the future reminds me of the first one.

the Curtis or Curtiss Aerocar
1932 Curtiss Aerocar "Land Yacht"

her is a You too site that offers other antique viewings of other Vintage trailers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeZ8ZlStXf8

Google sites
curtis with one "s"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cu ... tnG=Search
Curtiss with "ss"
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=8 ... ar&spell=1
Hindleys Garage offers inside photo's
http://www.hindleysgarage.com/gallery_aerocar.htm
Google Image
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&e ... a=N&tab=wi

[john]

kennyrayanderson said:

...the weight the front unit has to bear would not alter the suspension requirements much which would simplify it considerably.

What I was referring to was the change in steering geometry required by the different wheel base lengths.

I don't know the terminology, but when making a turn the inner front wheel (the one on the inside of the curve) turns sharper than the one on the outside of the curve. This is done because the inside wheel follows a tighter radius than the outside wheel.

The amount to which this is done is based on the wheel base of the car.

In the rendering above the wheel bases change dramatically. If at full lock to the right or left in car mode the minimum turning radius would be much smaller than in camper mode. The geometry required to keep the alignment correct would change with the change in turning radius.

Clear as mud......

[kennyrayandersen]

kennyrayanderson said:

...the weight the front unit has to bear would not alter the suspension requirements much which would simplify it considerably.

What I was referring to was the change in steering geometry required by the different wheel base lengths.

I don't know the terminology, but when making a turn the inner front wheel (the one on the inside of the curve) turns sharper than the one on the outside of the curve. This is done because the inside wheel follows a tighter radius than the outside wheel.

The amount to which this is done is based on the wheel base of the car.

In the rendering above the wheel bases change dramatically. If at full lock to the right or left in car mode the minimum turning radius would be much smaller than in camper mode. The geometry required to keep the alignment correct would change with the change in turning radius.

Clear as mud......

Yip -- another good reason not to make the attachment ridged!

[Ron Dickey]

I have had the 3 wheel trailer idea in my head for a long time, and could use one now my car rides to low.

Anyway this idea could also be used for the Gypsy trailer idea with 4 wheels like a wagon. Using car tires. I wonder if a airplane front wheel could be used for this.

The idea is that any car that does not have the supention to carry a trailer could in fact pull one.

[kennyrayandersen]

I have had the 3 wheel trailer idea in my head for a long time, and could use one now my car rides to low.

Anyway this idea could also be used for the Gypsy trailer idea with 4 wheels like a wagon. Using car tires. I wonder if a airplane front wheel could be used for this.

The idea is that any car that does not have the supention to carry a trailer could in fact pull one.

It's an interesting isea, but you never see it on trailers and it makes me wonder why. Even truck which have an assist wheel, it goes on the rear of the cab, not the trailer. The exception is short ore trucks, which I did a set one time for a buddy of my (got a letter of commendation from the department of transportation in Alaska over that one!). Ore trucks have both front and rear axles on the trailer with a long tongue that goes from the trailer to the tow vehicle. I suspect that the 4 wheels are requited to support the trailer for lateral loads.

The front wheel would need it's own suspension too, so IMO it starts to get complicated (unnecessarily so). I mean if the tow vehicle can't handle a bit of tongue weight, it may not be fit for towing or the trailer might have too high of a tongue weight . If the rear axle is moved forward the weight comes of the tongue so that the front wheel shouldn't be needed.

[Ron Dickey]

The Fold-n-Roll made in Gilroy California made by Mr. Perch helped design the Aristocrate camping Trailer.

Had a 3rd wheel if you look real close you can barly see it. I was one once it was a small wheel under the trailer at the beginning of the tung. looked like two wide flat tires. Perch was into airplanes and I would guess it is from one. A front landing gear might to the trick.

[kennyrayandersen]

The Fold-n-Roll made in Gilroy California made by Mr. Perch helped design the Aristocrate camping Trailer.

Had a 3rd wheel if you look real close you can barly see it. I was one once it was a small wheel under the trailer at the beginning of the tung. looked like two wide flat tires. Perch was into airplanes and I would guess it is from one. A front landing gear might to the trick.

Yeah -- I recognize that as a nose landing gear off an airplane, though I'm not quite a big enough geek to tell which aircraft it came off of.

[Ageless]

You can still buy plans from Popular Mechanics

[Ron Dickey]

sometimes seeing ideas of old can bring about new ideas.

This little thing has a shape for the wind ideas for windows like I have not seen and could become a Standy.

emagin, sitting at your dinning table enjoying a view of the lke through these windows. But the in the rear are the same windows??


Willerby Vogue, come out of 1950s in UK
it is bigger then you think but as a miniture it would be classy
look here to see how it looked after it got fixed up.
http://thistinyhouse.com/2009/tiny-trai ... spaceship/
or look here
http://willerby.littleplumstead.com/