18V Cordless Drill Kit $19.97 @ True Value

[caseydog]

perfect for me - teardrop style (less expensive than mainstream... who wants to pay $40k for a TT that gets used once a month)? I'm in for 20 bones.

JP

Who wants to pay $40K a year for American workers when you can pay $150 a month for Chinese workers? Works for most Americans who have jobs -- for now.

CD

[Emaxx3]

perfect for me - teardrop style (less expensive than mainstream... who wants to pay $40k for a TT that gets used once a month)? I'm in for 20 bones.

JP

Who wants to pay $40K a year for American workers when you can pay $150 a month for Chinese workers? Works for most Americans who have jobs -- for now.

CD

Not sure I get you there... are you saying that my buying a $20 drill will put a $40k/yr American out of work?

Which American made your Bosch drill? Bet it wasn't made in Switzerland either - unless it is old. Most are now made in Taiwan or Malaysia. What is the monthly wage there?

JP

[Emaxx3]

perfect for me - teardrop style (less expensive than mainstream... who wants to pay $40k for a TT that gets used once a month)? I'm in for 20 bones.

JP

Who wants to pay $40K a year for American workers when you can pay $150 a month for Chinese workers? Works for most Americans who have jobs -- for now.

CD

Not sure I get you there... are you saying that my buying a $20 drill will put a $40k/yr American out of work?

Which American made your Bosch drill? Bet it wasn't made in Switzerland either - unless it is old. Most are now made in Taiwan or Malaysia. What is the monthly wage there?

JP

BTW - love your build. Drawing inspiration from it for my own.

JP

[afreegreek]

perfect for me - teardrop style (less expensive than mainstream... who wants to pay $40k for a TT that gets used once a month)? I'm in for 20 bones.

JP

Who wants to pay $40K a year for American workers when you can pay $150 a month for Chinese workers? Works for most Americans who have jobs -- for now.

CD

Not sure I get you there... are you saying that my buying a $20 drill will put a $40k/yr American out of work?

Which American made your Bosch drill? Bet it wasn't made in Switzerland either - unless it is old. Most are now made in Taiwan or Malaysia. What is the monthly wage there?

JP

no, it's all the other people who bought $20 drills a few years ago that put the $40K American out of work.. now you can't even get an American drill for the most part.

[deceiver]

The thing is that the dewalt drill is still probably made in China or thereabouts, cost of production about $20 then an American company sells it for for $229. It's all made in China.. it's our fault for buying it and it's our fault for charging what we do for it. the same drill made in the US would have a reverse scenario it would cost $200 to make and have to sell for $20 profit or cost $400.
It's not only the buyer that is the problem. It's also the Seller and American worker in many instances. Besides, today it would take Columbo to find the product you want made in the US.
Why has the stock market been so high the past 10 years but the american worker is moving to temp jobs? Cheep overseas stuff is marked up many times and sold to us. Middle men surge, american workers sink. But it's everyone's fault. And ironically, in capitalism, the American way.

[Arne]

I doubt h/f stuff is made for professional use.... i.e., constant.

Of all the tools I bought from h/f, only one 18v drill crapped out after a couple of months, the rest are still going. The brad nailer built 2 t/d's, the other 2 drills are still going. As are the angle grinder, air grinder, etc.

One h/f 14v drill crapped out after 10 years... the battery quit.

My makita drill got sloppy spindle bearings way too soon for what I paid for it... but, it was probably built for 'home owner' use, not professional.

[caseydog]

perfect for me - teardrop style (less expensive than mainstream... who wants to pay $40k for a TT that gets used once a month)? I'm in for 20 bones.

JP

Who wants to pay $40K a year for American workers when you can pay $150 a month for Chinese workers? Works for most Americans who have jobs -- for now.

CD

Not sure I get you there... are you saying that my buying a $20 drill will put a $40k/yr American out of work?

Which American made your Bosch drill? Bet it wasn't made in Switzerland either - unless it is old. Most are now made in Taiwan or Malaysia. What is the monthly wage there?

JP

Not picking on you, personally. I'm just saying that our hunger for cheap goods is driving our good manufacturing jobs over to China.

As for my Swiss made drill, American workers can compete with European workers on a level playing field. There is no way an American can even think about competing with a Chinese worker who puts in 12 hour days, six days a week, for $150 a month.

Same for my German car. German auto workers make more than American autoworkers. We can compete with them as laborers. That's why Mercedes and BMW opened factories here.

Also, as for my Swiss drill, I looked, and could not find an American one. The one I got was made in Switzerland, and packaged in Mexico. That's the best I could do.

When you buy tools and most other durable goods, the "made in" has to be on the box. It's usually small print, so you have to look for it.

CD

[john]

Cheap quality stuff keeps money in my pocket and I refuse to feel guilty; I am not a charity, although I donate from time to time.


Although I am not in the market, nice hit on the drill.

Thanks for posting.

[deceiver]

I picked one up for myself and two of my sisters. It actually looks pretty good. I keep it for light duty stuff so I don't ruin it but not bad for $20.

[Emaxx3]

JP[/quote]

Not picking on you, personally. I'm just saying that our hunger for cheap goods is driving our good manufacturing jobs over to China.

As for my Swiss made drill, American workers can compete with European workers on a level playing field. There is no way an American can even think about competing with a Chinese worker who puts in 12 hour days, six days a week, for $150 a month.

Same for my German car. German auto workers make more than American autoworkers. We can compete with them as laborers. That's why Mercedes and BMW opened factories here.

Also, as for my Swiss drill, I looked, and could not find an American one. The one I got was made in Switzerland, and packaged in Mexico. That's the best I could do.

When you buy tools and most other durable goods, the "made in" has to be on the box. It's usually small print, so you have to look for it.

CD[/quote]

I can honestly say I have no idea where you stand.... you talk about your Swiss made drill and German car. yet you put down a China drill - somehow equating this to the downfall of American manufacturing.

We live in a global economy... goods are manufactured worldwide - even if they are assembled in the US components come from all over the globe. Tell me what "Made In" really means?

It is not China that destroyed the manufacturing jobs in the US... it is time to look at unions like the UAW - they have destroyed the manufacturing jobs in the US. Who can afford to pay basic manufacturing folks the wages, benefits and pensions that these unions have forced upon companies? Why is Detroit dying? Is an assembly line worker (no advanced degree) really worth paying $65k + benefits and a pension plan that pays them 90% their salary when they retire? Is that a "good manufacturing job"? Heck yes to the worker, not so much for the company that has to pay that person. Really - who can blame a company for relocating that job to a place that is lower cost?

Tell you what - you buy a $100k US made car (Ford Escape for instance) made with American labor and I will buy a $20k Hyundai and then you can feel good about supporting those "good manufacturing jobs". I'll bank my $80k and retire that much earlier with my conscience clear. It ain't worth it to me and mine.

I enjoy the discussion - please don't take me wrong, it is just my opinon. We're both entitled to our own... like politics, we each vote for our choice and debate the aftermath. Thank God for the freedom to do so.

JP

[2bits]

This has gotten a little twisted. I can't tell if this is "Pro America" or "Down with anything but the best" Well pro America is gone with Wal Mart getting busted for their "Made in America" slogan in the 90's. We all can't buy the best, even if we "save up". For me and alot of American's it doesn't work that way. We just try to scrape through as best we can and leave the screwing people over and the preaching to the politicians, they can afford it, I'm just trying to make the mortgage.

Let's just talk about the drill.

To me I know it is a cheap drill for manufacturing but it is on the upper end of cheap drills. It is an 18volt, not a Black and Decker 12volt, or a better HR 14volt, but this is a good powered drill at 18volt. It's not lithium, but hell it's $20. It might not last you for years building decks like a Dewalt, but I think for five times as cheap it might last half as long which is a pretty good deal.

[deceiver]

For anyone else thinking of picking one up before the sale is over. The drill is hefty. The chuck is like any other keyless chuck. It tightens and holds the bit. I drove in a few long deck screws into yellow pine (pretty hard stuff). It seems to handle like the craftsman 18V drill I've had for several years. The nose has a 22 position ratcheting collar, something of which I never use. And for the money it has a nice case, a set of about 6 twist drills, 6 cement drills, and 6 brad point drills along with a slew of driver bits, a lot of them phillips. I don't expect the drill bits to be high quality or last very long and will use them with soft woods. I'll actually use mine as light duty or as an extra screwdriver.

The charger is one of those that the drill battery, when removed from the drill plugs in upside-down. The only difference with this charger and my craftsman is that it has a separate power brick to power it. It's not integrated with a cord like my other one. Not a big deal. I don't know the charge life of the battery yet but it has the same apparent weight and size as my other drill so I'm assuming it has similar capacity.

The sale is over Saturday June 12/2010 so I'd expect this to be a fairly sort lived thread as I'll bet they'd be sold out in a short time. "While supplies last".

Oh, And I'll update if it poops out on me after I've drilled $20 worth of screws!

[caseydog]

JPI can honestly say I have no idea where you stand....

Then I guess I've wasted my time.

CD

[Emaxx3]

JPI can honestly say I have no idea where you stand....

Then I guess I've wasted my time.

CD

Just want to be sure that I am not considered anti-American for using HF tools and materials that are not "Made in the US". I bought 10 1.5" spring clamps from HF last week. Buck and a half each. They will work for the intended purpose. Am I the only one who has clamps from HF - not hardly.

Not wanting to tread on toes, just defending myself. Seeing as you are a very active member with many posts and I am new to the scene - don't want to piss off the majority.

Back to the original topic, a $20 drill... Hope all who get one like it and feel it was a good value.

JP

[Forrest747]

I bought one for the kids to use. My corded drill I use is a hole hog, and too much for the kids to use. Let the kids use it and not worry about my expensive drill getting broke, from lack of experience.