Gulf coast

[caseydog]

Maine may very well not be a good place for wind turbines. I don't know.

But braging about Maine's 115 wind turbines is no way to counter MadJacks NIMBY comments.

I think what MJ was talking about was States like Massachusetts that won't allow wind turbines off of Cape Cod, because they think it will spoil their view. Florida, a diehard red state, doesn't want their tourists to see any oil wells while watching the sun set over the Gulf. Boohoo.

The Texas coast is dotted with offshore oil wells. It has the most polluted air in the nation, thanks to the abundant refineries. Texas pay the biggest price for satisfying Americas addition to cheap energy. And now, Texas lead the WORLD in wind power.

Louisiana pays a big price for America's cheap energy addiction, too. Louisiana is going to take the biggest hit from this BP spill.

Cancer does not run in my family, but yet I got it. I lived in Port Arthur for six years, where the town mottos was, "We Oil the World." Are they connected? I have no idea, but I am NOT moving back there. When you drive into a town, and it smells like the fertilizer section of Home Depot, I can't imagine it being a good thing.

NIMBY. That was MadJack's gripe. And he's right. States that use more than they produce need to be thankful for the states that produce more than they use -- and pay a heavy price for it.

CD

I was not bragging.. I was merely sharing the facts of what we are doing...nothing more.. nothing less.

I hope you aren't going to send alien sheep to "probe" me in my sleep.

But, you said you had a problem with what MJ said. Me and MadJack have been under the influence together, multiple times, which almost makes us related down here in the South. I gotta stand by his madness.

In fairness, folks should know that Glenn (Fenlason) does have an underground home, which is very energy efficient.

But, he's still wrong.

CD

[parnold]

Fenlason wrote:

I was not bragging.. I was merely sharing the facts of what we are doing...nothing more.. nothing less.

I didn't get the impression that he was bragging at all, but merely stating that Maine was a New England state that was working toward green power.

[Fenlason]

Maine may very well not be a good place for wind turbines. I don't know.

But braging about Maine's 115 wind turbines is no way to counter MadJacks NIMBY comments.

I think what MJ was talking about was States like Massachusetts that won't allow wind turbines off of Cape Cod, because they think it will spoil their view. Florida, a diehard red state, doesn't want their tourists to see any oil wells while watching the sun set over the Gulf. Boohoo.

The Texas coast is dotted with offshore oil wells. It has the most polluted air in the nation, thanks to the abundant refineries. Texas pay the biggest price for satisfying Americas addition to cheap energy. And now, Texas lead the WORLD in wind power.

Louisiana pays a big price for America's cheap energy addiction, too. Louisiana is going to take the biggest hit from this BP spill.

Cancer does not run in my family, but yet I got it. I lived in Port Arthur for six years, where the town mottos was, "We Oil the World." Are they connected? I have no idea, but I am NOT moving back there. When you drive into a town, and it smells like the fertilizer section of Home Depot, I can't imagine it being a good thing.

NIMBY. That was MadJack's gripe. And he's right. States that use more than they produce need to be thankful for the states that produce more than they use -- and pay a heavy price for it.

CD

I was not bragging.. I was merely sharing the facts of what we are doing...nothing more.. nothing less.

I hope you aren't going to send alien sheep to "probe" me in my sleep.

But, you said you had a problem with what MJ said. Me and MadJack have been under the influence together, multiple times, which almost makes us related down here in the South. I gotta stand by his madness.

In fairness, folks should know that Glenn (Fenlason) does have an underground home, which is very energy efficient.

But, he's still wrong.

CD

bite me..

The probe will be on stun not maim

[caseydog]

Hey MadJack, I just came up with my dish for pot luck at LCG5.

Shrimp, with an etouffee sauce based on a chocolate roux, served over white grits with a little drizzle of garlic infused olive oil for a nice sheen.

I'll call it Shrimp a la BP.


CD

[madjack]

Hey MadJack, I just came up with my dish for pot luck at LCG5.

Shrimp, with an etouffee sauce based on a chocolate roux, served over white grits with a little drizzle of garlic infused olive oil for a nice sheen.

I'll call it Shrimp a la BP.


CD

...sounds......errrr???????............

Glen, I am glad to hear Maine is doing some alt energy things...my thoughts were as CD mentioned, about Mass. not wanting to single out anyone specific and not knowing the situation in all the NE states, I generalized...down here, whether we want it or not, the situation is as has been already stated...we have it...you want it...we send it to ya...gas, oil, natural gas and our environment has payed the price...by the way, back in the 70's during the first Arab embargo, the saying down here was "drive 80 and starve a yankee in the dark" anyway, I am proud to know that Mainers are doing their part, now if everyone would...(just keep yer probes to yourself)...........
madjack

[Fenlason]

Hey MadJack, I just came up with my dish for pot luck at LCG5.

Shrimp, with an etouffee sauce based on a chocolate roux, served over white grits with a little drizzle of garlic infused olive oil for a nice sheen.

I'll call it Shrimp a la BP.


CD

...sounds......errrr???????............

Glen, I am glad to hear Maine is doing some alt energy things...my thoughts were as CD mentioned, about Mass. not wanting to single out anyone specific and not knowing the situation in all the NE states, I generalized...down here, whether we want it or not, the situation is as has been already stated...we have it...you want it...we send it to ya...gas, oil, natural gas and our environment has payed the price...by the way, back in the 70's during the first Arab embargo, the saying down here was "drive 80 and starve a yankee in the dark" anyway, I am proud to know that Mainers are doing their part, now if everyone would...(just keep yer probes to yourself)...........
madjack

We don't like Massachusetts either..

I am pretty sure we don't have much natural gas up here.[other than baked bean night] We are very dependent on heating oil though. I think the percentage is 90% of our homes heat with oil. We also have a lot old farm houses with very poor insulation standards. So combined with our cold weather, we use a lot. [I mean that in the collective we]

The last spike in oil prices, hurt. [I am not blaming anyone for it] We had people choosing between food and heat.... and / or giving up their meds.

Perhaps this last spike will have motivated people to change things.

I learned my "lesson" during the 70's Oil embargo. I question why more did not.
CD I was just looking at a map... and most of Maine does not rate that well, for favorable conditions for wind turbines . Texas was one of the better places.

We do have people heating with wood... yet the Percentage seems low. I would say the majority of users are supplementing their oil heat with wood.

Wood pellet stoves are catching on big here.. and local pellet production helping that.. we can use a local greener product, something that is otherwise a waste product.

[Fenlason]

[martha24]

At first when I heard the amount of 20 Billion going into a fund, my reaction was that is an incredible amount of money & could the oil spill really cost that much? So I can understand different people having different reactions.

BUT after reading the other thread talking about how the whole pipe is compromised to the well and it is like a leaky hose (hopefully stated right) and the only hope of stopping the leak is a secondary well that is being drilled. I can understand where 20 Billion isn't such a huge amount.

A question or opinion wanted especially from those that understand this situation (like CD or madjack) just how clearly should the situation of the oil leak and potential problems be explained to the general public and by who?

In my part of the world it just doesn't seem like there is a lot of clear information out there or it is possible I could have missed it. My general view is how can good decisions be made if you don't know what reality is.

Of course in this world everything seems to become political as well which isn't needed in disasters IMHO.

I'm very sorry about the situation in the gulf, but a big thanks to those who are explaining things to us who don't know anything about the oil industry.

[madjack]

Martha, I think, at the beginning no one, not BP or the Govt had an actual handle on the situation and they where all exercising some wishful thinking...afterall something like this had never happened before...by now, everyone involved SHOULD know there is nothing they can presently do to stop or stabilize the situation except the 2 new wells they are drilling and all they can do at present is capture as much oil as they can and hope a HURRICANE doesn't hit before the 2 new wells are finished...I really feel, THEY should explain to the American people this fact AND the fact that under a worse case scenario, the well may NEVER be fully plugged and will leak until the oil is gone...let us all hope it doesn't get to that point!!!!!
madjack

p.s. the powers that be probably knew all of this within a couple of weeks of the initial accident and certainly by the time they tried the "top kill" procedure.........MJ

p.s.s. I wish ol' Eddielbs was still active here...he is a top hand, concrete specialist...ya know, one of the type people who where warning BP, the procedure they were using was unsafe before the initial explosion occurred...he could offer some interesting insight..........MJ

[mikeschn]

What do you guys think about the nuclear option?

Mike...


Simmons also thinks that perhaps the only way to seal the gush of oil is by doing what the Soviet Union did decades ago -- setting off a bomb deep underground so that the fiery blast will melt the surrounding rock and shut off the spill.

[madjack]

I'd havvta see some hard science onit...it seems all you would do is make a larger hole for the oil to come out of...not to mention what the radiation would do to the sea floor and surrounding areas...don't seem kosher to me...how about we nuke Detroit to fix the problems with the car industry or New York to fix Wall Street makes about the same sense to me..............
madjack

p.s. wait, wait...we pack up the politicians, lawyers, bankers and BIG CEO's along with the appropriate number of nukes and send all to the bottom of the sea...yeah, that the ticket...

[mk10108]

What do you guys think about the nuclear option?

Mike...


Simmons also thinks that perhaps the only way to seal the gush of oil is by doing what the Soviet Union did decades ago -- setting off a bomb deep underground so that the fiery blast will melt the surrounding rock and shut off the spill.

COOL hope they get a video of that

[mikeschn]

COOL hope they get a video of that

Here's an example of an underwater nuclear explosion...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcKX4wCcU5k

I'd havvta see some hard science onit...it seems all you would do is make a larger hole for the oil to come out of...not to mention what the radiation would do to the sea floor and surrounding areas...

Yea, I wondered about the side effects too. All one has to do is review a video from Hiroshima to be reminded how much energy we are talking about...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF4LQaWJRDg

Mike...

[dakotamouse]

Nuclear? Really? Is that an option? I haven't heard anything about that.

But I did hear that of all the types of oil wells this was the cheapest type to build. How crazy is that? The most challanging well in some of the deepest ocean and you use the cheapest means? Apparantly BP uses this method in 79% of their wells. I wonder if they still feel it was worth the money they saved.

[mikeschn]

Nuclear? Really? Is that an option? I haven't heard anything about that.

But I did hear that of all the types of oil wells this was the cheapest type to build. How crazy is that? The most challanging well in some of the deepest ocean and you use the cheapest means? Apparantly BP uses this method in 79% of their wells. I wonder if they still feel it was worth the money they saved.

I don't know anything about the nuclear option, or the side effects... I'm hoping someone has some more information they can share. Meanwhile, this article mentions nuclear... http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/09/news/co ... /index.htm

Mike...