Hey Russ How you doing?

[ParTaxer]

I would hesitate on putting any heater next to a door. Afterall, that is your escape if it should cause a fire.

[southpennrailroad]

Well everyone I just purchased the 16,000 BTU heater at this web site below. (I figure the free $16.00 value) thermostat is worth the higher cost of the one I saw on the ebay web page. It also is a 16,000 compared to the 12,000 btu one I saw and in my non insulated trailer would do just fine. I hope I did fine on this. I hope this also helps in the draw down of the condensation. Yes I am aware of the moisture I will give out but plan on not using the furnace at night as I will always use the mattress heating pads. I have two batteries as I thought one was used up but found it is sound so the new furnace will be on it's own battery leaving the battery operated heating pad on it's own battery. I plan on installing the furnace on the front face of the trailer. I will get rid of the Blue flame heater. Anyone want it for $50 bucks Plus S&H. Am I Ok to do this? I don't want to be in the wrong here. You all know me and I don't represent the blue flame ownership. Just trying to recoup some loss in the higher price I just paid for the new furnace. Trust me I just want to get safe living in my trailer and have no use for a blue flame heater while living in a 6 X 10 trailer.

I also like the idea of a thermostat next to my bed to get the trailer warmed up B4 crawling out of the blankets in the am. I will install it on my over head wood cabinet so it will not get confused with cold wall mounted readings but will get inside center of the trailer readings.

Thanks everyone for your concerns and now to figure out how to install this. I see that it is ) O clearance so that will help. I also see it needs 8 " and I think I have that on the floor next to where i have the present heater piped in so that would be helpful and it would be on the floor sending heat across the floor to the back section just as I did this past night with the milk house heater. I may get rid of that also.

Mike I will be in touch with you.

http://www.fishhousesupply.com/furnaces.htm

I went by the book in ordering this 16,000 btu heater from the but they made a mistake and caught me off guard so I canceled this order and down graded to a 12,000 heater for less. That was a big jump in price for me.

Here is what they said"Hello

Thank you for your order! Unfortunately, our Shipping/Handling rates only apply to the upper Midwest 6-state area because we use a local shipper. To ship your order to you we would need to ship with Fed-Ex and charge an additional $50.00 Shipping/Handling, for a new total of $469.95.
Please confirm this e-mail if you would like us to proceed with your order.

Thank you
FHS

In a message dated 12/15/2010 3:30:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes:




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Name on Card: Russell A Love
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-------------------Shipping Information--------------------

Customer Address:
Name: Russell Love
Addr: 147 Sandy Creek Road
Addr: Verona, Pennsylvania 15147
Addr: United States

Customer Email: [email protected]
Customer Phone: 412-607-9972
Day/Night Phone: day

---------------------Order Summary-------------------------

Item Subtotal: $390.00
Shipping Cost: $29.95
GRAND TOTAL: $419.95
NOTE:Customer declared exemption from 28.87 sales tax.

Shipping Method: Ground Shipping

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-----------------Individual Item Breakdown-----------------

Item Ref. Price ea. Qty. Description
___________________________________________________________
ATWOOD16 $390.00 1 Atwood 16,000 BTU Forced Air
Furnace

------------------------End of Order-----------------------


Hello

Thank you for your order! Unfortunately, our Shipping/Handling rates only apply to the upper Midwest 6-state area because we use a local shipper. To ship your order to you we would need to ship with Fed-Ex and charge an additional $50.00 Shipping/Handling, for a new total of $469.95.
Please confirm this e-mail if you would like us to proceed with your order.

Thank you
FHS " And I don't think they even took off for the previous $29.00 for their previous shipping. I am purchasing a different heater for $47.00.S&H charges from Washington State. I re thought it over and realize that a 12,000 btu is used in pop ups so it should do alright in my enclosed trailer as it has no canvas. It would have been nice to have the extra btu's though.

http://www.fishhousesupply.com/images/a ... nstall.pdf

[mikeschn]

Sounds like you are off to a good start.

Do you have a 12volt line in your Cargo trailer?

Mike...

[southpennrailroad]

Sounds like you are off to a good start.

Do you have a 12volt line in your Cargo trailer?

Mike...

Yep I have both. I use AC for lights when hooked to shore and as I mentioned I have actually two separate batteries as one I thought was dead but found it was only drained when I used the dc heating pad all through the night. I then just to be sure purchased another and found the first was just drained and was checked and found still good. So the second one will be dedicated to the new about to be installed when it arrives furnace. I have a honda gen so I will keep both charged as needed. But for now I am on shore power which with the battery minder is keeping the one battery charged. I have a wall meter and it registers the battery as 13.

Mike what do you think the 16,000 btu as a good deal for a 6x10 trailer?

[southpennrailroad]

Hello

Thank you for your order! Unfortunately, our Shipping/Handling rates only apply to the upper Midwest 6-state area because we use a local shipper. To ship your order to you we would need to ship with Fed-Ex and charge an additional $50.00 Shipping/Handling, for a new total of $469.95.
Please confirm this e-mail if you would like us to proceed with your order.

Thank you
FHS

In a message dated 12/15/2010 3:30:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes:

( Russ I have removed this and will pm you a copy of the numbers. Not something you should post in a public place. Miriam)

-------------------Payment Information---------------------

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retrieve at: https://www.cartserver.com/sc/lastsix.html
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-------------------Shipping Information--------------------

Customer Address:
Name: Russell Love
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Addr: Verona, Pennsylvania 15147
Addr: United States

Customer Email: [email protected]
Customer Phone: 412-607-9972
Day/Night Phone: day

---------------------Order Summary-------------------------

Item Subtotal: $390.00
Shipping Cost: $29.95
GRAND TOTAL: $419.95
NOTE:Customer declared exemption from 28.87 sales tax.

Shipping Method: Ground Shipping

--------------------Special Instructions-------------------


-----------------Individual Item Breakdown-----------------

Item Ref. Price ea. Qty. Description
___________________________________________________________
ATWOOD16 $390.00 1 Atwood 16,000 BTU Forced Air
Furnace

------------------------End of Order-----------------------


Hello

Thank you for your order! Unfortunately, our Shipping/Handling rates only apply to the upper Midwest 6-state area because we use a local shipper. To ship your order to you we would need to ship with Fed-Ex and charge an additional $50.00 Shipping/Handling, for a new total of $469.95.
Please confirm this e-mail if you would like us to proceed with your order.

Thank you
FHS

[Steve_Cox]

Russ,

At least you saved $29 in sales tax.

Just be careful between now and when you get the heater installed. Do you have a CO detector? If not, WalMart has them for $15.

Be Safe

[jjjonz]

Well everyone I just purchased the 16,000 BTU heater at this web site below. (I figure the free $16.00 value) thermostat is worth the higher cost of the one I saw on the ebay web page. It also is a 16,000 compared to the 12,000 btu one I saw and in my non insulated trailer would do just fine. I hope I did fine on this. I hope this also helps in the draw down of the condensation. Yes I am aware of the moisture I will give out but plan on not using the furnace at night as I will always use the mattress heating pads. I have two batteries as I thought one was used up but found it is sound so the new furnace will be on it's own battery leaving the battery operated heating pad on it's own battery. I plan on installing the furnace on the front face of the trailer. I will get rid of the Blue flame heater. Anyone want it for $50 bucks Plus S&H. Am I Ok to do this? I don't want to be in the wrong here. You all know me and I don't represent the blue flame ownership. Just trying to recoup some loss in the higher price I just paid for the new furnace. Trust me I just want to get safe living in my trailer and have no use for a blue flame heater while living in a 6 X 10 trailer.

I also like the idea of a thermostat next to my bed to get the trailer warmed up B4 crawling out of the blankets in the am. I will install it on my over head wood cabinet so it will not get confused with cold wall mounted readings but will get inside center of the trailer readings.

Thanks everyone for your concerns and now to figure out how to install this. I see that it is ) O clearance so that will help. I also see it needs 8 " and I think I have that on the floor next to where i have the present heater piped in so that would be helpful and it would be on the floor sending heat across the floor to the back section just as I did this past night with the milk house heater. I may get rid of that also.

Mike I will be in touch with you.

http://www.fishhousesupply.com/furnaces.htm

I went by the book in ordering this 16,000 btu heater from the but they made a mistake and caught me off guard so I canceled this order and down graded to a 12,000 heater for less. That was a big jump in price for me.

Here is what they said"Hello

Thank you for your order! Unfortunately, our Shipping/Handling rates only apply to the upper Midwest 6-state area because we use a local shipper. To ship your order to you we would need to ship with Fed-Ex and charge an additional $50.00 Shipping/Handling, for a new total of $469.95.
Please confirm this e-mail if you would like us to proceed with your order.

Thank you
FHS

In a message dated 12/15/2010 3:30:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes:

* Credit Card Order # 2154-0803-1202 Received by Americart*

Always verify price accuracy. Order from IP# 208.40.145.190

-------------------Payment Information---------------------

Name on Card: Russell A Love
Card Type: visa
Card Number: (16 digits stripped for security)
retrieve at: https://www.cartserver.com/sc/lastsix.html
Expiry Month: 11
Expiry Year: 12

-------------------Shipping Information--------------------

Customer Address:
Name: Russell Love
Addr: 147 Sandy Creek Road
Addr: Verona, Pennsylvania 15147
Addr: United States

Customer Email: [email protected]
Customer Phone: 412-607-9972
Day/Night Phone: day

---------------------Order Summary-------------------------

Item Subtotal: $390.00
Shipping Cost: $29.95
GRAND TOTAL: $419.95
NOTE:Customer declared exemption from 28.87 sales tax.

Shipping Method: Ground Shipping

--------------------Special Instructions-------------------


-----------------Individual Item Breakdown-----------------

Item Ref. Price ea. Qty. Description
___________________________________________________________
ATWOOD16 $390.00 1 Atwood 16,000 BTU Forced Air
Furnace

------------------------End of Order-----------------------


Hello

Thank you for your order! Unfortunately, our Shipping/Handling rates only apply to the upper Midwest 6-state area because we use a local shipper. To ship your order to you we would need to ship with Fed-Ex and charge an additional $50.00 Shipping/Handling, for a new total of $469.95.
Please confirm this e-mail if you would like us to proceed with your order.

Thank you
FHS " And I don't think they even took off for the previous $29.00 for their previous shipping. I am purchasing a different heater for $47.00.S&H charges from Washington State. I re thought it over and realize that a 12,000 btu is used in pop ups so it should do alright in my enclosed trailer as it has no canvas. It would have been nice to have the extra btu's though.

http://www.fishhousesupply.com/images/a ... nstall.pdf

You are the man.........we have been keeping up with you and keeping you in our prayers.
This heater would be nice,but in an unisulated trailer I don't know.If you are not hooked up,it will draw a battery down in a hurry.
I would get me some 4x8x1 inch foam insulation,cut it to size for ceiling and walls.Get some aluminum duct tape and insulate that sucker !!!!!
The blue flame would most likely do the job with no sweating.
JMO
Good luck and God bless.

[southpennrailroad]

Thanks Guys but all was not lost as the previous sale went under as you read above. However it got way better. Good things come to those who wait.

Because I had a problem with EBAY as I was going for a down grade from the 16,000 btu furnace I thought I was going to get from that Fish what ever site, I instead decided to go for a cheaper one (12,000 btu )but I ran into a credit card information problem. I had a different address listed so the transaction stopped (I won't get into it) and decided to deal with the owner of the EBAY web seller page owner I had acquired the phone number for the Atwood factory in Washington State and Rich one of the owners said He would work things out. He just got in and saw the problem and while he was looking at the problem, I had the chance to explain my predicament and he he said he could get me a 14,000 btu then stopped short and said instead that for just $14.00 more then the 12,000 btu that he would sell me a 18,000 btu. I said WOW and I really should not have but said Oh what the heck Can I get a thermostat for it thrown in. He said he could not BUT! He could sell it for cost $10.00 and lowered the shipping by $5.00. I now can't wait to get it and installed. The thermostat is going to be a great benefit. No more crawling out of bed to a cold trailer just to do it again to shut it off when I get over heated.

Also I won't leave it on at night as I have the mattress pads that I so enjoy sleeping on do keep me warm even in the teens and I know some of this moisture in the trailer will disappear. My boss said just after the New year I could pull the trailer in the garage to tear it down to insulate it. I asked Rich at Atwood and he said the plain white Styrofoam is all I needed, After all Styrofoam cups will hold water in so it should keep water from the inside from reaching the alum walls if properly done. And of course the best is no dizziness when I wake up even with the vent open. Oh I just filled up the third 20 lb tank since the Thursday B4 thanksgiving at $21.00. I am curious to see how much this will save. Will keep you all abreast.

Thanks

[mikeschn]

Wow, 18K BTU for a tiny little cargo trailer.

The cycle times will be a lot shorter because you have such a big furnace, and you won't dry out the air as much. But you should be miles ahead of that blue flame thing you have.

Oh, and not to worry about the battery drawdown.

The Atwood 8012-II is Front Discharge with the the Ultra Low Amp. Draw of 1.8. This incredibly Low Amp Draw makes this unit the most Electrically Efficient Furnace of its type on the market today. This unit is ideal for those concerned about battery drain while in the wild.

Mike...

[southpennrailroad]

Wow, 18K BTU for a tiny little cargo trailer.

The cycle times will be a lot shorter because you have such a big furnace, and you won't dry out the air as much. But you should be miles ahead of that blue flame thing you have.

Oh, and not to worry about the battery drawdown.

The Atwood 8012-II is Front Discharge with the the Ultra Low Amp. Draw of 1.8. This incredibly Low Amp Draw makes this unit the most Electrically Efficient Furnace of its type on the market today. This unit is ideal for those concerned about battery drain while in the wild.

Mike...

Thanks Mike for reassuring me. I thought the price was great and he also told me the same thing and then when I finally insulate the trailer I should be good to go. He said he was sending it slow shipping and I was going to send it to my company where I work but they said it may not get their until next Thursday or Friday and my company closes on Friday so I have it sent to my sons in laws. I will probably install it while I have no work between Christmas & New Years. Can't wait.

Oh so I will still have moisture correct. Then I will just have to use the Vortex fan to help get rid of moisture.

[mikeschn]

No, you won't have moisture problems any more. It'll just take a couple cycles to get the moisture out, instead of one cycle. But it's still like a home furnace, and you will dry things up nicely.

In the previous message I should have said "dry the air out as fast" instead of "dry the air out as much"

You'll like it, just wait and see!

Mike...

Wow, 18K BTU for a tiny little cargo trailer.

The cycle times will be a lot shorter because you have such a big furnace, and you won't dry out the air as much. But you should be miles ahead of that blue flame thing you have.

Oh, and not to worry about the battery drawdown.

The Atwood 8012-II is Front Discharge with the the Ultra Low Amp. Draw of 1.8. This incredibly Low Amp Draw makes this unit the most Electrically Efficient Furnace of its type on the market today. This unit is ideal for those concerned about battery drain while in the wild.

Mike...

Thanks Mike for reassuring me. I thought the price was great and he also told me the same thing and then when I finally insulate the trailer I should be good to go. He said he was sending it slow shipping and I was going to send it to my company where I work but they said it may not get their until next Thursday or Friday and my company closes on Friday so I have it sent to my sons in laws. I will probably install it while I have no work between Christmas & New Years. Can't wait.

Oh so I will still have moisture correct. Then I will just have to use the Vortex fan to help get rid of moisture.

[Off Grid Rving]

I found a few pop up campers on craigslist looks like they use that same furnace!

and water heater and stove and all

just need to find an old one that I can junk out.

[southpennrailroad]

My idea was that a 12,000 btu furnace was ok for campers with canvas to extend their camping time into the late fall and begin early in the spring camping or a tear such as Mike has or anyone on tears so I would at least get a higher BTU (such as the 14-18,000 btu for full year use. Mike seems to think that I am over kill with the 18,000 which I totally didn't know what was good. But was thrilled for just 16 dollars more to come up from a 12 to a 18 is just fine with me. Actually I trust Mike and feel he is the expert on heaters. I just like the idea of actually laying on a bed atop the blankets but was willing to settle on one that would just heat the air while I would still be under the blankets was fine just the same. Hearing dripping behind the walls doesn't make me feel comfortable at all.

Oh I was just thinking about all the responses I get to this topic. Thanks everyone as your input nudged me along to get out of the blue flame heater and into a force air furnace. I think in the long run I am better off. As noted above I have a lot of plus advantages by adding a new furnace to the trailer.

[Off Grid Rving]

I was just offered a 5th wheel to renovate this morning while picking up propane for the Ogre!

what to do... what to do...

[oicu812]

Hi Russ,good move getting that water pump out of your camper.Did you buy the vent kit with it?And have you decided on a location to mount the unit?
One thing I would do for safety is run two regulators,one at the tank and one at the unit,propane is higher pressure and two regulators is cheap insurance if you plan on running when asleep or away.If this was already discussed I didn't see it and just wanted to mention it.
Good luck and you must be one tough dude.
PS The 18000 BTU is input and according to the literature the output is 13680,so it's not quite as big as you are thinking and should do a great job.The parts on the different units are almost identical and if it's to much heat,you can have the burner orifice changed by a HVAC guy no problem.