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Re: Foamie aerodynamics.

Postby Bogo » Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:15 am

OK, here is a drawing I found of the Prius rear suspension. There are some differences in later ones, but not much.
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Notice the two coil over shock units. They are to the inside of the wheels, and stick up. They would stick above the floor. They might be replaceable with air bags. Another detail is the cross beam. It would work partially as a stabilizer bar.

Because of the coil over shock units intruding into my limited floor space, I think I'd stay with using a torsion axle for now. It is a complete bolt in unit with simple mounting. Also it is a standard off the shelf part so replacements should be easily found.
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Re: Foamie aerodynamics.

Postby Wobbly Wheels » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:46 am

You're right that the struts wouldn't be used. Airbags would work or, more simply, a pair of coils damped with shocks. You'd have to weld the coil seats onto the axle and underside of the frame, hence my comment about the fab skills required.
If not, hopefully you can find a hub adapter to make the combination work... :thinking:
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Re: Foamie aerodynamics.

Postby DriverOne » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:54 am

If the hub is thick enough, just drill 4 new holes in the new bolt pattern of your chosen wheel. No adapter required.
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Re: Foamie aerodynamics.

Postby ghcoe » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:49 am

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Re: Foamie aerodynamics.

Postby GPW » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:56 am

GH, that is great info ... I love this line .... “ A fundamental fact of aerodynamic life is that drag increases with the square of the speed. In other words, when you double the speed, you quadruple the drag.” ... the main thing to remember... ;) :thumbsup: :thinking:
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Re: Foamie aerodynamics.

Postby mezmo » Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:05 am

I recently came across these two TTTs on a South African auction
site and thought they had good approaches to '"aero-ness" that could
be emulated in a Foamie build.

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This fiberglass 'slouchy' has flat/slightly-curved panels that'd fit within
the cross-sectional area of a tow vehicle and it looks like there's an attempt
at a Kamm-back too.

99701

This is a less 'elegant' design but it compresses the trailer's initial frontal
to fit within the cross-sectional area of a tow vehicle and the top curves
back up to the trailer's roof level, while the front sides flair[flare?] out to
trailer's full width. The edges/joins of the different panels also have
radii of what looks like 1-2-3 inches depending on location.

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Re: Foamie aerodynamics.

Postby GPW » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:08 am

Just thinking everybody here now Knows what to do to cut down on Drag... we’ll never get rid of it all , but every little bit helps eh ... :thumbsup:
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Re: Foamie aerodynamics.

Postby atahoekid » Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:55 am

mezmo wrote:I recently came across these two TTTs on a South African auction
site and thought they had good approaches to '"aero-ness" that could
be emulated in a Foamie build.

Click on pics to make them larger.

This fiberglass 'slouchy' has flat/slightly-curved panels that'd fit within
the cross-sectional area of a tow vehicle and it looks like there's an attempt
at a Kamm-back too.

99701

This is a less 'elegant' design but it compresses the trailer's initial frontal
to fit within the cross-sectional area of a tow vehicle and the top curves
back up to the trailer's roof level, while the front sides flair[flare?] out to
trailer's full width. The edges/joins of the different panels also have
radii of what looks like 1-2-3 inches depending on location.

99700

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I think that top one would be an easy build. No curves, just flat panels. Maybe lose some of the windows to make for an easier build. I like the angular shape. Pretty aerodynamic too! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: Foamie aerodynamics.

Postby loaderman » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:48 pm

Wedge/angled noses are actually not aerodynamic. sure would be easier to make though.
curves are aerodynamic.
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Re: Foamie aerodynamics.

Postby Ned B » Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:34 pm

Here's a much larger trailer that I thought I'd toss out there just to give you ideas...

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Re: Foamie aerodynamics.

Postby Ned B » Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:43 am

Here you go foamie fans...

http://www.airflowtruck.com/New_Build_Pics.html

scroll down to see foam in action!

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Re: Foamie aerodynamics.

Postby GPW » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:57 am

Sorta' looks like we should consider the shapes of Boats , flipped upside down ... :thinking:
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Re: Foamie aerodynamics.

Postby loaderman » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:48 am

:applause: :applause: :applause:
Thanks.

Also the back plays a major role in aerodynamics, it must taper to the rear. That's why teardrops are great. Now the angle and proportions of the taper do matter, just can't find the numbers anywhere so far.
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Re: Foamie aerodynamics.

Postby GPW » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:19 am

How about something like this ...
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Re: Foamie aerodynamics.

Postby angib » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:48 am

That's all styling without much aerodynamics involved in it, except the side skirts on the trailer, though even they aren't very well done - why don't they at least line up?

No attempt to match the tractor and trailer shapes, left the bad 'flip' spoiler all round the tractor - it's a dog's dinner of a job.
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