The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Wed Jan 01, 2014 12:45 pm

Sounds good, Slug. Sorry I took so long to reply. I was thumbing through my photo gallery looking for this shot of the end grain where I cut the ends of the galley wall edge bent lamination. Approximately 1/8 inch thick slats of DF cut from 2x4. Some of them had a little taper to them so I alternated to keep parallel (disregard the 5 mm ply).
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Still haven't decided what, but I think there is art in this so will find a way to make a highlight feature or something; maybe a cube faced with this to act as a paper towel roll weight.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby GPW » Wed Jan 01, 2014 3:06 pm

ART... now if it were 8’ tall ... :thinking: It is pretty cool KC !!! 8) Patterns !!
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Fri Jan 03, 2014 4:13 pm

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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby GPW » Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:02 am

KC, it’s Cold as Heck here , I can’t Imagine what youse’ guys are going through ... :frightened: Really , it’s so COLD , all we can do is sit here in front of the heater and type about how NICE the TPCE is coming along !!! :thumbsup: 8) :D ......
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:50 am

Thank you GPW. Oh yes it is cold... and nothing is getting done on TPCE.

I have had a look back thru my pics and a look over on the Expedition Portal for inspiration.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby wagondude » Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:54 am

I think our high Monday is supposed to be 3 degrees with double digit below zero wind chills. Still not as cold as the winter we had when my son was born, but I'm getting less tolerant of the cold as I get older. Time when you can't build is just planning time. Plan on! :thumbsup:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby GPW » Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:27 pm

Maybe we should think of insulating our shops some more (in the spring when it’s more “Comfortable" to do this ) ... couldn’t hurt , even in the summer ... :thinking:
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby SLUG36 » Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:15 pm

GPW wrote:Maybe we should think of insulating our shops some more (in the spring when it’s more “Comfortable" to do this ) ... couldn’t hurt , even in the summer ... :thinking:


Down here in the South East part of the Lone Star State. We insulate more for heat protection. I need to insulate the ceiling in my shop and car port to keep the radiant heat down.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby paul.luna » Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:40 pm

Hmm, I was thinking about building a foamie hybrid. But it's pretty hard to get the foam here in California. I can get 1/2" but no thicker, that I know of. I would also laminate the foam between 2 sheets of 1/4" Ply. I guess I could use a 1/2" sheet with one 1/4" and a 1x2 frame Oh now my head is hurting me LOL.

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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:21 am

Thanks for the kind words, Paul.

As to insulation; I did offer to help Karl, of course, and he has always wanted to finish the loft (part of the deal when he put the barn up was that his wife would get a tack room out of it), but he got busy with paying jobs and that was it for the season.

Weatherman said it was supposed to warm up with "ice" precip. I'm seeing 17 on the thermometer and a fine mist. :frightened:

That means that it is very likely to put a lot of weight on the trees and wires. No bueno. :thumbdown:

... and too cold to work on the camper. :roll: (...but nothing like WD is seeing, hang in there dude!)

Soooo, let's go see what else is going on in TD land.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:05 pm

Okay, finally some heat. Saturday was 57 deg F in the loft (got up to 67 with heaters and Karl running woodstove below), but it was pouring rain… buckets. 99/ct humidity, which was why Karl had the stove going; trying to drive moisture out of the shop.

I scraped all of the drips off of the “current” cabinet parts and scuffed them all down with 220 grit, then greenie pad, and put another coat of 4:1 Poly and mineral oil on ‘em.
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Not sure I was happy with the outcome (more runs, a few thin spots, not super glassy), I went ahead and oiled the light and switch trim blocks with the natural oil.
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Sat with Karl and talked for a while. I think his motivation is for me to just finish, regardless of whether it comes out good or not (he says it all looks good to him… from across the room… in dim light). I, on the other hand, try to scrutinize every surface held up to the light. Drat. Not perfect. But if I am to ever get this thing done; maybe I need to move on?

Decided to move on. Happy with the outcome. Built out the rear cabinets for the final time. Here I have slid the lower rear cabinet floor into place; glued between the tape and the edges of the face frame; wedged the lower face frame into place; screwed it; wiped the glue squeeze out; pulled the tape; knocked the upper cabinet floor into place; pilot drilled and screwed that down to the lower face frame using #6 x 3/4 flathead SS screws.
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The flathead screws sunk their own countersinks, just like my tests.
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The screws pulled the panel down to the lower face frame pretty well, despite the fairly generous spacing between them (viewed looking up from the curb side doorway).
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Here is the underside of the lower cabinet.
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Okay, this seems a little crude to me, but the face frames are flexible enough that I can pull them away from the cabinet floor panels in the middle, so I pilot drilled up through the bottoms of the panels behind the central stiles, and drove one of the #6 x 3/4 FH SS screws at each stile, thus pinning the panel and frame together at these two points. The screws are hidden behind the lower lips of the face frames, seen here.
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… and here you can just see how the screws align with the stiles (to minimize the chance of the pilot drill blowing out the front).
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Then I double checked the dry fit of the upper rear cabinet face frame, just to make sure that nothing had changed, and to be sure that I could get it together with the glue without smudging glue all over the inside of the wall.
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I was glad I did because it helped me figure out how to hold the frame, how to slide it down in between the wires sticking out from the walls, get the floor panel engaged with the groove in the frame, and where to push out on the street side wall in order to get the face frame to pivot into position without tracking glue all over the opposite side inner wall.

Then I spread glue on the walls between the tape lines, on the ends of the frame, stuffed it in place, and screwed it off using the pocket screws from behind.
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Next I laid down under the lower cabinet with my head light on and dry fit the red light wire trim, cutting it to final length. I decided to use the double sided fiberglass reinforced tape to stick this into position (in case I have to pull it down again… a little concerned that it might release in high temps… oh well).
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Truth be told, before deciding to use the tape, I dry fit this tight under the cabinet floor and masked it off with blue tape after measuring to be sure that it was centered. This ended up being a great way to help me align the trim while sticking it up. I trained the wire and stuck the trim pieces up. Happy.
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All along the way I used damp paper towels to remove excess glue, and, once sure that no more glue was oozing out, I peeled the tape away.
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If you don’t look too close, I think it looks pretty good. Karl says that with the limited lighting inside the cabin, the flaws will go unnoticed. I hope so.

All in all I am happy. It was kind of weird getting back to the build after just a few days off. For example, I about destroyed the top of the polyurethane can getting the lid off. I always make sure to wipe the lip well, but it had stuck so hard that, after prying the lid up and bringing the inner lip of the can with it, I had to use a small channel lock plier to wrest the lid off of the inner lip; basically destroying it. I had kept the empty can from the previous gallon, and spent a good deal of time cleaning that out with mineral spirits and scraping the dried poly from that, so that I could pour the half gallon of poly from the wrecked can into that and save the leftover.

Also, my good 1 inch and 2 inch brushes were both crusty, despite having rinsed with mineral spirits, so I had to ditch those and use new brushes.

Still, happy. :D
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby SLUG36 » Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:01 pm

I have learned that soaking poly hardened paint brushes in either lacquer thinner or acetone will bring the brushes back to life. you may have to soak them for a couple of hours. I also found out that cleaning poly brushes in lacquer or acetone eliminates the hardening.

Your cabinet and wall color is great. What stain did you use? and the contrast between the darker wall and lighter trim is great.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:13 pm

Interesting. Being in the loft has meant that I don't have a ready source of hot soapy water. The oil based brushes all say to clean with spirits, then hot soapy water. So I took the new brushes home and washed them well after rinsing them with spirits, and they still got stiff to a certain degree. The next day I was able to flex them out and free them up, but I still have concerns that they will release "flakes" or junk into the finish when I use them again. They all say not to soak them, though that is what I have done up till now. Constant use seems to be the best bet.

I can say that the previous brushes had nice soft natural fibers (bought at ho-de-po) but they didn't have any natural fiber brushes this time, and the nylon/polyester fiber brushes are just too stiff, despite claiming to be good for oil based products.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby linuxmanxxx » Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:43 pm

Buy the cheap chip brushes use and chunk. Less chemicals out and to dispose that way.
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Re: The Poet Creek Express - Foamie Hybrid

Postby KCStudly » Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:54 pm

I use the cheap chip brushes for glue, but they are a bit crude for clear coat finishes, IMO.

I am convinced that Doug Hodder is correct. If I had my druthers I would be spraying the poly. Karl admitted the same today, but it was he that also felt that it would be problematic to spray in the loft (and I agree).

That said, I will consider using a cheap brush as a test on something unobtrusive, and will report back if I can tell a deference in the final finish.

Thanks.
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